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Subject: RE: <fwd>Wallerstein's Dec. 5 Lecture
Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 13:31:37 +0100


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> I should rather believe in nothing (whatever that means) than...
 
May I say that a washed brain can do nothing in the field of philosophy?
I know Marxists, Nationalists, Christians, Existentialists,
Phenomenologists, etc. All that makes them strong is a firm belief. The
religious believes in God, while the atheist believes in science. Both
believe.
 
To deprive a human being of belief is like performing a trepanation. You
rend it completely useless as being with understanding. All knowledge is
a collection of beliefs, be it the Vedas or Karl Raymund Popper.
 
> hard to think seriously how one can take both religiosities (as
exemplified in my speech
> above) and Heidegger seriously...
 
Heidegger is nothing else than a theologian for highly abstract thinking
persons. He was himself a religious man, even and especially after he
quit Catholic dogma. We may call him a guru. Of course, the serious guru
is not someone that writes mantras in his disciple. He tries to change
him as much this allows. Heidegger offers not a doctrine, but a path to
God. (Yes, he calls Him The To Be).
 
modernity (including Nietzsche and Heidegger, following Kant, Hegel,
Marx et al) has shattered the eternity (eternal presence) and
transcendence of the 'theological' into a continuous discontinuity of
moments each differentiating itself from and to the 'next'... a
'process' of dissolution and resolution, of emergence and submergence
(from and into the 'merge') -- being silenced/absented in and by beings;
the art-world-play of the will-to-power (and nothing else); history as
radical re-membering-cum-forgetting; etc.


You perfectly describe disciple's evolution. How comes you do not see
its end? Theology became not only more needed by the moderns, but also
more interesting. God's messengers are able today to say more when they
speak for Him, be they spiritual masters, philosophers or artists. The
inflation of dumb wannabees only points of how great is today's thirst
and of what is the status (not the worldly one) of these messengers. The
dark powers keep busy those without a calling.
 
humanity left abandoned by the rotting corpses of godhood (whether that
godhood is seen in terms of God, gods or transcendent belief systems
(nationalisms, race, etc)).
 
Heidegger says that we are alone, but not abandoned. When sins
appreciate, also does the grace. In fact, you always saw God. He left
you for no single moment. For God is in the tiniest particle and in the
biggest galaxy. He is their essence (to be), nature (becoming) and
substance (existence). We ourselves, we are separated existences
(Daseins).
 
Man's choice was always the same: to serve God or get lost in the abyss.
 
 
To be is to become, to become is to exist.
Jethro, Priest of On
 
Intellect Club mailgroup at
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Intellect_Club>
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Intellect_Club
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[mailto:owner-heidegger-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu] On Behalf Of Michael
Pennamacoor
Sent: woensdag 19 december 2001 10:26
To: heidegger-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu
Subject: Re: <fwd>Wallerstein's Dec. 5 Lecture
 
tudor quoting me:

michaelP [...can we hope for]
>post-religious humanity? I am including all forms of religiosity in the

>term 'religious': religions, patriotisms, ideologies, ethnicities, 
>paganisms, tribalisms, nationalisms, communisms, partisanships, etc.
>
tudor:
>Yeah, a totally washed brain believes nothing! 

michaelP:
with an ear cocked in the direction of michaelE's recent take on Junger,
I must say that I find it hard to think seriously how one can take both
religiosities (as exemplified in my speech above) and Heidegger
seriously... modernity (including Nietzsche and Heidegger, following
Kant, Hegel, Marx et al) has shattered the eternity (eternal presence)
and transcendence of the 'theological' into a continuous discontinuity
of moments each differentiating itself from and to the 'next'... a
'process' of dissolution and resolution, of emergence and submergence
(from and into the 'merge') -- being silenced/absented in and by beings;
the art-world-play of the will-to-power (and nothing else); history as
radical re-membering-cum-forgetting; etc.

World War Three is not the conflict with terrorisms, but the already
long since begun terrific strife between the total mobilisation of the
markets (the very shattering of the good into goodies) and the resources
(human and non-human) of the earth (total exploitation) -- and -- the
brutality of religious (and, note, simply irreligious!) humanity left
abandoned by the rotting corpses of godhood (whether that godhood is
seen in terms of God, gods or transcendent belief systems (nationalisms,
race, etc)). In that terror, ('the horror, the horror'), I should rather
believe in nothing (whatever that means) than...

what?

dancing the apocalypso now, then?

disturbed

michaelP

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> I should rather believe in nothing (whatever that means) than...

 

May I say that a washed brain can do nothing in the field of philosophy? I know Marxists, Nationalists, Christians, Existentialists, Phenomenologists, etc. All that makes them strong is a firm belief. The religious believes in God, while the atheist believes in science. Both believe.

 

To deprive a human being of belief is like performing a trepanation. You rend it completely useless as being with understanding. All knowledge is a collection of beliefs, be it the Vedas or Karl Raymund Popper.

 

> hard to think seriously how one can take both religiosities (as exemplified in my speech

> above) and Heidegger seriously...

 

Heidegger is nothing else than a theologian for highly abstract thinking persons. He was himself a religious man, even and especially after he quit Catholic dogma. We may call him a guru. Of course, the serious guru is not someone that writes mantras in his disciple. He tries to change him as much this allows. Heidegger offers not a doctrine, but a path to God. (Yes, he calls Him The To Be).

 

modernity (including Nietzsche and Heidegger, following Kant, Hegel, Marx et al) has shattered the eternity (eternal presence) and transcendence of the 'theological' into a continuous discontinuity of moments each differentiating itself from and to the 'next'... a 'process' of dissolution and resolution, of emergence and submergence (from and into the 'merge') -- being silenced/absented in and by beings; the art-world-play of the will-to-power (and nothing else); history as radical re-membering-cum-forgetting; etc.

You perfectly describe disciple’s evolution. How comes you do not see its end? Theology became not only more needed by the moderns, but also more interesting. God’s messengers are able today to say more when they speak for Him, be they spiritual masters, philosophers or artists. The inflation of dumb wannabees only points of how great is today’s thirst and of what is the status (not the worldly one) of these messengers. The dark powers keep busy those without a calling.

 

humanity left abandoned by the rotting corpses of godhood (whether that godhood is seen in terms of God, gods or transcendent belief systems (nationalisms, race, etc)).

 

Heidegger says that we are alone, but not abandoned. When sins appreciate, also does the grace. In fact, you always saw God. He left you for no single moment. For God is in the tiniest particle and in the biggest galaxy. He is their essence (to be), nature (becoming) and substance (existence). We ourselves, we are separated existences (Daseins).

 

Man’s choice was always the same: to serve God or get lost in the abyss.

 

 

To be is to become, to become is to exist.

Jethro, Priest of On

 

Intellect Club mailgroup at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Intellect_Club

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-heidegger-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu [mailto:owner-heidegger-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu] On Behalf Of Michael Pennamacoor
Sent: woensdag
19 december 2001 10:26
To: heidegger-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu
Subject: Re: <fwd>Wallerstein's Dec. 5 Lecture

 

tudor quoting me:

michaelP [...can we hope for]
>post-religious humanity? I am including all forms of religiosity in the
>term 'religious': religions, patriotisms, ideologies, ethnicities,
>paganisms, tribalisms, nationalisms, communisms, partisanships, etc.
>
tudor:
>Yeah, a totally washed brain believes nothing!

michaelP:
with an ear cocked in the direction of michaelE's recent take on Junger, I must say that I find it hard to think seriously how one can take both religiosities (as exemplified in my speech above) and Heidegger seriously... modernity (including Nietzsche and Heidegger, following Kant, Hegel, Marx et al) has shattered the eternity (eternal presence) and transcendence of the 'theological' into a continuous discontinuity of moments each differentiating itself from and to the 'next'... a 'process' of dissolution and resolution, of emergence and submergence (from and into the 'merge') -- being silenced/absented in and by beings; the art-world-play of the will-to-power (and nothing else); history as radical re-membering-cum-forgetting; etc.

World War Three is not the conflict with terrorisms, but the already long since begun terrific strife between the total mobilisation of the markets (the very shattering of the good into goodies) and the resources (human and non-human) of the earth (total exploitation) -- and -- the brutality of religious (and, note, simply irreligious!) humanity left abandoned by the rotting corpses of godhood (whether that godhood is seen in terms of God, gods or transcendent belief systems (nationalisms, race, etc)). In that terror, ('the horror, the horror'), I should rather believe in nothing (whatever that means) than...

what?

dancing the apocalypso now, then?

disturbed

michaelP

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