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Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2002 15:49:53 +0000
Subject: Re: the pleasures of speaking
From: "Michael Pennamacoor" <pennamacoor-AT-enterprise.net>


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Allen glowingly recently:

>Let's say I am posting primarily because I miss the pleasures of putting my 
>words in a form which gives me pleasure, at least some some part, because I 
>imagine it will give you pleasure.  This giving and taking of pleasure 
>through speaking is a prime constituent of Dasein's worldly being as :  
>zwou logou econ (Looks like Eudora permits Greek to be written!). 

but not Outlook Express :-(

[...]

>And then there is the erotic dimension of these pleasure exchanges-- the 
>capacity of certain words, uttered in certain contexts of being-with, to 
>eroticize the saying of an idea. Plato contends with this aspect of himself 
>in a way which evokes Heidegger's admiration:
>        
>"Specifically, Plato shows indirectly what the philosopher is by displaying 
>what the sophist is. . . Precisely on the path of reflection on the Being 
>of beings, Plato attains the correct ground for interpreting the sophist in 
>his Being." (Plato's Sophist, 9)

And there is the pain of writing: I write but Heidegger('s thinking of being) does not
arrive; the promise is not delivered (thus ending the promise) anymore than the promised
land of the jews; it's not just the difficulty of standing under the complex and difficult
thickets of words and turnings and crossings; he's always (already) under way; this hurts;
I want him now, finished, completed, precis-able; but he eludes all finishments, he thinks
the neither-nor, he refuses being a substantial thing, not a material girl is our
Heidegger; he feels like an interminable piece of minimalist music, always the middle
carrying the beginning and the ending with it at the speed of time.

This is a pain to love.

michaelP

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Re: the pleasures of speaking Allen glowingly recently:

>Let's say I am posting primarily because I miss the pleasures of putting my
>words in a form which gives me pleasure, at least some some part, because I
>imagine it will give you pleasure.  This giving and taking of pleasure
>through speaking is a prime constituent of Dasein's worldly being as :  
>zwou logou econ (Looks like Eudora permits Greek to be written!).

but not Outlook Express :-(

[...]

>And then there is the erotic dimension of these pleasure exchanges-- the
>capacity of certain words, uttered in certain contexts of being-with, to
>eroticize the saying of an idea. Plato contends with this aspect of himself
>in a way which evokes Heidegger's admiration:
>        
>"Specifically, Plato shows indirectly what the philosopher is by displaying
>what the sophist is. . . Precisely on the path of reflection on the Being
>of beings, Plato attains the correct ground for interpreting the sophist in
>his Being." (Plato's Sophist, 9)

And there is the pain of writing: I write but Heidegger('s thinking of being) does not arrive; the promise is not delivered (thus ending the promise) anymore than the promised land of the jews; it's not just the difficulty of standing under the complex and difficult thickets of words and turnings and crossings; he's always (already) under way; this hurts; I want him now, finished, completed, precis-able; but he eludes all finishments, he thinks the neither-nor, he refuses being a substantial thing, not a material girl is our Heidegger; he feels like an interminable piece of minimalist music, always the middle carrying the beginning and the ending with it at the speed of time.

This is a pain to love.

michaelP --MS_Mac_OE_3093090593_1807907_MIME_Part-- --- from list heidegger-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu ---

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