Subject: RE: Heidegger Speaks
Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 19:57:08 -0700


Hello Allen,

Can you say more about "philosophizing" and "appropriate venues."
 ...and let me take this opportunity to thank you for your contibutions.

v/r,
Bob


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> 
> Hen,
> 
> Thanks for calming me down .  Such over-wrought words-for-others are
the
> inevitable result of trying to turn philosophy into a "therapeutic
> intervention."
> 
> But as long as we're here. . . .
> >
> >
> >The primordiality of Das Man? The 'fact' that outside of being-with,
> there
> >is no Dasein. We are in need of the
> >Other(s) in order to be there, in order for Being to be an issue for
> us...
> 
> Yes, but how does the "for the sake others" Heidegger alludes to,
affect
> the
> thinking and especially the saying of said "issue."  That is how is
Dasein
> in its being affected by this necessary "interdependence" of all
> interpretation.
> 
> 
> >
> >(ps) this is a return visit issue: a few years ago we discussed the
> >"leaping ahead of" and something like the "standing in front of, or
for"
> >other Dasein as the two modes of Being-with, which is to say, I
think,
> that
> >Heidegger only discusses inauthentic modes of Being-with, and the
full
> >blooded notion is not thought out in SuZ; we then alluded to (and
Michael
> E
> >has written a paper on) Levinas...
> 
> I remember, but I'd like to pose the question of the passage,
assuming
> that
> Heidegger himself thinks authentic being-with, even though it might
only
> be
> "indicated" in and through his discussion of inauthentic modes of
> being-with, because that's the only way to do it.
> 
> The question of the verse still might not bear any "new" relevance to
> what's
> going on, but at
> least it's been returned to the appropriate venue.
> 
> Allen
> 
> 
> > >
> > > It is a staple in Talmudic Discourse, when the dialectic has
wended
> > > its way to a point where understanding is at a premium and
emotions
> > > themselves are being mistaken for thought, someone brings in a
> > > Biblical verse whose words, when properly interpreted, will lead
the
> > > rabbis back to a reasoning line of thought by turning the focus to
a
> > > relevant and significant moment of factical experience, requiring
> > > their attention.  Sometimes one can recognize in the situation to
> > > which the verse seems to apply some semblence of the very
situation
> > > in which the rabbis find themselves, as they speak (so to speak).
> > >
> > > The verse I would like to ask about is SuZ #26 (p.123 in the
German):
> > >
> > > "As Being-with, Dasein 'is' essentially for the sake of others."
(M &
> R)
> > >
> > > Als mitsein  'ist' daher das Dasein wesenhaft umwillen Anderer.
> > >
> > > The heading of this section is " The Dasein-with of Others and
> > > Everyday Being-with."
> > >
> > > This juxtaposition seems to suggest a profound interdependence in
> > > Dasein's active life with others,
> > > especially when philosophizing.
> > >
> > > But I say too much.  I mean to leave it as a question, relevant to
> > > the discussion .
> > >
> > > Allen
> > >
> > >
> > > --
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