Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 05:37:17 EDT
Subject: Re: Yo, Gary



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In a message dated 06/08/2002 02:50:07 GMT Daylight Time, crifasi-AT-hotmail.com 
writes:


> Subj:Yo, Gary
> Date:06/08/2002 02:50:07 GMT Daylight Time
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> Gary C. Moore wrote:
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> >>We cannot use experience itself to justify our words to others (i.e., 
> >>"Ive been there," "Ive actually have been in such a situation and really 
> >>know all about it," etc.), but we can use rational discourse that makes 
> >>sense to others based on the hypothesis we generally in form ("contour" 
> of 
> >>action would be a good definition of form and would fit in with the 
> >>phenomenological Aristotle, certainly with Hegel, and definitely with the 
> >>segment of Heidegger I quoted from his ARISTOTLES METAPHYSICS Theta 1-3 I 
> >>quoted for Crifasi and he completely ignored)<<


Jud:
Hi Gary,
It was only on a re-reading of this passage, prompted by Anthony's comments, 
that my eyes homed in again on the delicious and felicitous
descriptive term:"contour of action," which, though you meant it in an 
entirely different, [and also telling way,] is a perfectly suitable form of 
description of  "shape."  

In case this sounds a bit strange, I will put it another way.

As you know I believe  that any material thing is a Gesamtsumme or nexus of 
the totality of  the micro-modalities of  the community of micro-entities of 
which it is constituted. The constant interior interactions, 
interpenetrations, changes, expirations, renewals, initiations, create the 
shape or form or "essesnce," [to use the old fashioned word] of the thing.   
The term "contour of action" is thus very apposite as a way of describing the 
appeance to us humans of  macro results of  this mass of  these seething 
interior proceedings - for any object is actually a conglomerate of moiling 
action which gives the macro object it exterior contour.

To illustrate what I mean, take take a peek at an old photograph of yourself 
from your youth -  and then a look  in the mirror.

Is the term yours or did you come across it somewhere?

regards,

Jud.















> 
> I hope you got my previous message in which I said that I had a hard time 
> figuring out what you were saying in that part of your post. If you could 
> explain it again, I could address it.
> 
> >>Hegel essentially said, much like Heidegger, that he found most of his 
> >>philosophy in his reading of Aristotle. So when some one like Crifasi 
> says 
> >>the two fundamentally disagree, then one goes against what they 
> themselves 
> >>have stated.<<
> 
> But that is not a problem for phenomenologists. For example, Thomas Aquinas 
> also explicitly finds most of his essential philosophy in his reading of 
> Aristotle, and yet phenomenologists interpret Aquinas as a gross distortion 
> of Aristotle. So there is nothing wrong with going against a philosopher's 
> statement of agreement with another philosopher.
> 
> Anthony Crifasi
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