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Date: Thu, 09 Jan 2003 19:35:02 +0000
Subject: Re: "EXISTENTS" NOT "EXISTENCE"
From: "michaelP" <michael-AT-sandwich-de-sign.co.uk>


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Tudor-rising:

mP:
>> And, being is not an abstraction but rather the most concrete, the
>> uniquely unique...

> If it is inasmuch unique, then it is not comparable.

exactly...

>Therefore, it is not
> identifiable.

right again...

> Therefore, it cannot be shown.

perhaps, but it can show itself: let it be...

> Therefore it is abstract.

an abstraction is an extraction, a removal of the dross (accidents) from
around the kernel (essence) of some being; such a filtering and purification
operation separates the essential from the accidental and is withdrawn from
the being itself... but being is not in the being it is the being of, and
thus is not an extraction, not an abstraction; abstraction is the process of
producing one (essential) being from another (essential {sitting within like
the iron in its ore} plus accidental {its appearance}) by a drawing-out/from
(ab/ex-tract-ion), whereas being is not a being however filtered, general,
pervasive, underlying, superior, pure, etc --- so no, it is not abstract.

> But,
> as you said, it is most concrete, therefore it exists.

no again, it is not a being, it does not exist (as an existent exists, only
existents exist, only beings are)...

> The only coherent system which reconciles these viewpoints is pantheism,
> which is the middle way between the extremes of panentheism (i.e. Kantian
> theism) and holism (i.e. New Age theism).

why the need for (an unnecessary) reconciliation? do philosophers have to be
diplomats, arbitrators? viewpoints are merely viewpoints: (Heraclitean)
strife, polemos, is the play of being, its -lude; il-lusion belongs to
truth.

why the need to pin being down instead of stopping all this idle chat about
it?

regards

michaelP

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Re: "EXISTENTS" NOT "EXISTENCE" Tudor-rising:

mP:
>> And, being is not an abstraction but rather the most concrete, the
>> uniquely unique...

> If it is inasmuch unique, then it is not comparable.

exactly...

>Therefore, it is not
> identifiable.

right again...

> Therefore, it cannot be shown.

perhaps, but it can show itself: let it be...

> Therefore it is abstract.

an abstraction is an extraction, a removal of the dross (accidents) from
around the kernel (essence) of some being; such a filtering and purification
operation separates the essential from the accidental and is withdrawn from
the being itself... but being is not in the being it is the being of, and
thus is not an extraction, not an abstraction; abstraction is the process of
producing one (essential) being from another (essential {sitting within like
the iron in its ore} plus accidental {its appearance}) by a drawing-out/from
(ab/ex-tract-ion), whereas being is not a being however filtered, general,
pervasive, underlying, superior, pure, etc --- so no, it is not abstract.

> But,
> as you said, it is most concrete, therefore it exists.

no again, it is not a being, it does not exist (as an existent exists, only
existents exist, only beings are)...

> The only coherent system which reconciles these viewpoints is pantheism,
> which is the middle way between the extremes of panentheism (i.e. Kantian
> theism) and holism (i.e. New Age theism).

why the need for (an unnecessary) reconciliation? do philosophers have to be
diplomats, arbitrators? viewpoints are merely viewpoints: (Heraclitean)
strife, polemos, is the play of being, its -lude; il-lusion belongs to
truth.

why the need to pin being down instead of stopping all this idle chat about
it?

regards

michaelP
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