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From: "Paul Murphy" <Villanova-AT-btopenworld.com>
Subject: Re: Topic
Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 20:59:42 +0100


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Your taking it all too seriously, go and take some laxatives. 
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  From: Jason Stuart
  To: heidegger-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu
  Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2003 8:27 PM
  Subject: Re: Topic


  I'll answer this one here, but I think you should consider taking this off-list if you really want to know whether or not Homer and I are "fascists." 

  >for instance, Homer never wrote a treatise on prosody, although we suppose that he >used certain measures, a regular, quantitative syllable count, a regular series of beats >and so on.  But this is a reconstruction of the author's intentions.  Academics surmise all >this.  Was Homer not a verbal arts fascist who set down rules and conventions which >were not to be violated, otherwise they would not be considered poetry?

  I don't think Homer would know what a "fascist" was.  You're acting as if all the theory that we react to was written in the last ten years as a way of writing people off--I suspect it's because something happened to you, or someone critiqued your work too harshly--and that's simply not the case. 

  >That's what I think of convention, a lot of rules, a great deal of hollow, baseless, >substanceless, formalism which gave rise to a great deal of confusion.

  Well, you're certainly confused.  But that's your prerogative, to dismiss or accept what you will.  Doesn't mean you're right, though.

  >Do you consider yourself to be a kind of fascist, implying that the average person is >some kind of moronic slave to mass cultural pulp, or that he/she doesn't realise that the >kind of poetry I mentioned is just irrelevant to the reality that 'the great unwashed' >encounter - the factory, ...

  Get over yourself.  I'm all for high-minded skepticism, but what you're doing is called obstinate self-righteousness. 

  >We have a lot of material on 19th Century music hall stars, have you heard of any of them >- Marie Lloyd? for instance? PM

  No, you got me there, crabby. 
  OK, that's enough of that,

  JS 





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Your taking it all too seriously, go and take some laxatives. 
----- Original Message -----
From: Jason Stuart
To: heidegger-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu
Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2003 8:27 PM
Subject: Re: Topic

I'll answer this one here, but I think you should consider taking this off-list if you really want to know whether or not Homer and I are "fascists." 
 
>for instance, Homer never wrote a treatise on prosody, although we suppose that he >used certain measures, a regular, quantitative syllable count, a regular series of beats >and so on.  But this is a reconstruction of the author's intentions.  Academics surmise all >this.  Was Homer not a verbal arts fascist who set down rules and conventions which >were not to be violated, otherwise they would not be considered poetry? 
 
I don't think Homer would know what a "fascist" was.  You're acting as if all the theory that we react to was written in the last ten years as a way of writing people off--I suspect it's because something happened to you, or someone critiqued your work too harshly--and that's simply not the case. 
 
>That's what I think of convention, a lot of rules, a great deal of hollow, baseless, >substanceless, formalism which gave rise to a great deal of confusion. 
 
Well, you're certainly confused.  But that's your prerogative, to dismiss or accept what you will.  Doesn't mean you're right, though.
 
>Do you consider yourself to be a kind of fascist, implying that the average person is >some kind of moronic slave to mass cultural pulp, or that he/she doesn't realise that the >kind of poetry I mentioned is just irrelevant to the reality that 'the great unwashed' >encounter - the factory, ...
 
Get over yourself.  I'm all for high-minded skepticism, but what you're doing is called obstinate self-righteousness. 
 
>We have a lot of material on 19th Century music hall stars, have you heard of any of them >- Marie Lloyd? for instance? PM
 
No, you got me there, crabby. 

OK, that's enough of that,

JS 



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