From: "John Foster" <borealis-AT-mercuryspeed.com>
Subject: Re: the sin of ethics
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 00:04:50 -0800


Kenneth Johnson wrote:

>since morality is bullshit then ethics is a system of
principles governing
>bullshit

Well. Ethics is a lot things to a lot....

Having just watched "Oliver Stone's" movie "Heaven and
Earth" it would seem, like the Bhuddist priest said:

"The path to Nirvana is 'tricky'"

Well life is difficult and it is especially difficult for a
'soldier'...as long as they have to fight for a living, life
is difficult, and very tricky. You see this guy was just
about to retire from the US army, but things kind of got a
bit out of hand for him only 2 years before he was eligible
to retire on a nice pension.

For a soldier in action killing another human being is
'expected' and 'normal'; it is why a soldier becomes a
soldier. The soldier thinks of 'winning' a war, of being a
better fighter than his opponents, and quite often the
soldier is good at all that he wants to be: a good defender
of his or her country, and a good killer.

"...ethics is a system of principles governing...."

Ethics can be a very simple proposition. Ethics may involve
nothing more than a 'marriage' or 'union' of critical
thinking and emotion. And quite often ethics is nothing more
than that. There are these two dual approaches to 'problem
solving' and they are both valid. Anger is an emotion of
motivation, but anger, or hate which is extreme anger, often
blinds the aggressor to  some of the principles in the
system.

Better Dead Than Red

When an emotion is strong enough for the actor to complete
hate the 'enemy', enough to kill and exterminate them, in a
genocidal fashion, then the only 'valid response' is
emotion, and emotions like hatred blind are by themselves
'invalid' from a critical fashion.

You see Oliver Stone's movie 'mimics' what happened to
thousands of Vietnam War Veterans after they returned from
this protracted and horrible war. The old woman in the
movie, the mother of the main character, a pretty Vietnamese
woman, says that the only thing that war produces is a lot
of graveyards. There is no conflicts between those that live
in graveyards. That is all war does.

Well war does much more than make some more graveyards, it
also 'traumatizes' the soldiers who have found themselves
'in action'. Soldiers who have been in a war and watched the
death and destruction have a much higher rate of suicide,
more 'mental health problems' et cetera. This is one reason
why it is so easy for a politician to make war than it is
for the average citizen to agree to war. The politicians, in
this case it is both G. Bush, Jr., and T. Blair, anger and
power combine and achieve what hatred is supposed to:
blindness to the plights of the innocent. Of course it is
likely that a blind rage is justified, but in many cases a
blind rage is a momentary lapse, a brief period of
'diminished capacity'; thus, a lasting 'blind rage' is
purely 'emotional' and cannot satisfy any but one guiding
principle...an ethic therefore must have more than one
guiding principle at it's 'incipient' stage; it must satisfy
some other principle opposed to emotion such as logic, or in
general, critical thinking.

An ethic is a 'habit', a place to be, a home, a dwelling, a
surround, a familiar place. An angry politician is not a
person 'at home' in a familar habitat....

chao

john foster




But when in Burckhardt we come upon a passage: "In this year
the Venetians refused to make war upon the Milanese because
they held that any war between buyer and seller must prove
profitable to neither," we come upon a portent, the old
order changes, one conception of war and the state b egins
to decline. The Middle Ages imperceptibly give ground to the
Renaissance." [Hugh Kenner]
----- Original Message -----
From: "Anthony Crifasi" <crifasi-AT-hotmail.com>
To: <heidegger-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu>
Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2003 10:28 PM
Subject: Re: the sin of ethics


Kenneth Johnson wrote:

>since morality is bullshit then ethics is a system of
principles governing
>bullshit

I guess there are two Kenneth Johnsons, the one who wrote
the above, and the
one who admitted this five months ago about the same thing:

"so maybe there's something to all the stuf you minuscule
out in your (to
me) bent headed way anthony"

All I ask is that you consider the possibility.

Anthony Crifasi

>and i bet, say, that once any _individual_ supra-man form
of will to power
>chances to rise one morning suddenly conscious of itself as
will to power,
>and thereby rids itself of any need for any artificial
social "engineered"
>tool of ethics and morality, _that_ "one" would live in a
much higher world
>than those permanently childrenized shepard minded volk
with unconscious
>wills to power who live in this present world, a place
where all these
>small wrinkle minded little old kids' primary need is to be
childishly
>commanded by other child phd's.
>
>this world today needs ethics like a born again slave needs
his master,
>like a pioneer needs his fort, i.e. all a milieu of no more
than a dark age
>race of bead painters who demand the external super-natural
'rule' of 'law'
>because they are still living down on the animal farm
utterly at the
>'rooting in the muck' level with their ethics of morality,
a swampy place,
>one where they can extract their noxious serums to feed
their truth
>addictions, their birth rite to ingest one of the three
hundred thousand
>million one true 'truth's - yuckkkkk, the stench of these
low living
>shuddery shakers is overwhelming, it drives one back to the
mountains.
>
>a presentless presence they live, one that is revoltingly
revealed through
>the unlearned experiences of the utterestness of this
present age, an age
>that is diktated by the lord of the f-lies, the cowardly
worship of will 'o
>the wisps spirits imaging themselves always residently,
nearby, shimmering
>inside the unlucid stains of stained glass or uncloaked
fakirs who never
>look at the new moon over their left shoulder for fear of
'ghosts and their
>other' - - -
>
>there are too fucking many morally unbalanced and power
unleveled mental
>children running amok w/ sawed off missiles in their
holsters and with
>gobbbssssss and gobbbssss of gawdssssssss on their side,
fissionable gods,
>mushroom lover gods who, of themselves, are ethic-less,
mere wills 'o the
>wisp - - -
>
>or more tributarily precise, ethics, as an action, is only
constructed from
>a strong and once promising will to power that was
blindsided by the sheer
>mass of weak wills to power, these reactives exhibiting as
specimens of a
>failed supraman and who through ignorance have become
merely a weakened
>reaction, an inframan, one who has been overtaken by the
overwhelming
>forces of the minions of the moral man kind, those honest
people who have
>become honest thru being dishonest, as this spirit
weakening virus enters
>through the rule making tool of some one or another ad hoc
"ethics
>commitee".
>
>this is truly a fucked up world which this shaman mind has
forged
>impositionally thru formality framed rites, conjured from
its abrogation of
>strong will to power, these salt shaking dispensers of
ignorant
>superstitions which causes them to swing along on green
vines inside the
>low purely reactive jungle of 'ethics'.
>
>and even and still, everybody knows. the mormon knows, it
is only he who
>knows, and the catholics are misled, strayed from 'the one
true path' that
>only they have dis.covered, and the catholics know, and
will roast you if
>you don't say they know, the contrare, and how many others
around this
>globe dance in frenzy to this deadly step, what a terrible
psycho logic
>fills the munition trains today, far too intimate they live
as echos of
>pre-ancient cave man forms of will to power than ever they
could approach
>to its active supraman form, yech, these weaklings smell
bad to the eyes,
>and to the ears, of strong will to power
>
>lemmings who haven't the sense to turn around, fear driven
masqueraders
>tricking themselves away from themselves, in love with
death and its
>themes, as a ritual, and not with its other - -
>
>Kenneth
>
>
>
>
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