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G. Wills (quoted by Anthony) wrote:

Todays demonstrators against a war to disarm Iraq can hardly be explained
by fear for their safety, or by sympathy for Saddam Husseins fascism. The
London demonstration -- 1 million strong, much the largest in British
historywas not as large as the death toll from the war Saddam Hussein
launched against Iran. The demonstrators simultaneously express respect for
the U.N.s resolutions and loathing for America, the only nation that can 
enforce the resolutions. This moral infantilismwilling an end while
opposing the only means to that endreveals that the demonstrators believe
the means are more objectionable than the end is desirable.


My 'nope generators' are on. Arch-bishop of the Anglican church, the Holy See also agree with the millions who oppose US lead war against Iraq. Over 96% of Turkish citizens do not want the US going to war with Iraq.

The security council of the UN is the only organization which can enforce the resolution. US was not instrumental in any world war. 50 times more Russians died in WW2 than US soldiers. 95% of German soldiers were in eastern Europe by the time the US entered world war 2. Japan defeated itself due to the lack of Kamakaze fighters and planes. Near the end of the war, Japan had too few planes and Kamakaze fighters left to do any significant harm.


The demonstrators must know that Slobodan Milosevic and the Taliban would
still be tyrannizing Muslims were it not for U.S. power. But they do not 
care.

All the US did was fly over Serbia once. Nothing happened except a hospital was blown up. Lots of 'collateral damage' thanks to the US. Canada was there as peace keeper, and enforced no fire where possible. Canada for the first time since WW2 fought in Afghanistan and suffered 4 causalities all caussed by  US jet fighters and this has resulted in a court marshall against US pilots. It was a big mistake for Canada to fight alongside with the US in Aghanistan. There were over 3000 civilian causalties of Aghanistani people, including women and children at a wedding ceremony. US has threated to use a new generation of nuclear weapons in both Iraq and Afghanistan, and has used depleted uranium during the Gulf War. The many dead in the Gulf War included over 200,000 retreating Iraqi soldiers, and private citizens.


And the demonstrators must know that if they turn President Bush into "the
noble Duke of York" (who "had ten-thousand men, he marched them up to the
top of the hill, and he marched them down again"), Hussein will bestride the
Middle East, and emulatorsand weapons of mass destructionwill proliferate.
That the demonstrators do not care is a measure of their
monomaniaanti-Americanism.

The US is more concerned about economic domination and supremacy of the oil industry than working out a peaceful solution to further war in the Middle East. The US is not committed to a peaceful solution in Iraq situation. It wants to set of a large 'pyrotechnic' display, and make many people afraid for their lifes. It wants to send hundreds of thousands of soldiers directly into Bagdad now before there is any peaceful solution.

For Europes elites, anti-Americanism is a sterile response to the galling
fact that Europe committed semi-suicide in the 20th century. But many of 
these elites economic and defense policies are deepening Europes
self-inflicted anemia.

US supported fascist regimes in Europe prior to, during and after both world wars. In fact Klaus Barbie, and others were part of CIA efforts to thwart socialism where ever it could. After the last world war, just after the end of the Vietnam War, the US worked with China to defeat the USSR. Strangest irony in the world's history. First fight with vietcong, supported by the Chinese communists for a decade in Indochina, and then give up and begin fighting with the Chinese.


For example, Germany, which accounts for one-third of the euro zones
economic output, had Europes worst average annual growth rate over the past
decade (1.3 percent, barely better than Japans 1 percent). BusinessWeek, 
calling Germany "Japan on the Rhine," reports that the nation that gave the
world aspirin was in the 1960s the worlds leading producer of
pharmaceuticals, but now does not have a pharmaceutical company among the
worlds top 15.

That is because Europeans rely on natural means to treat health problems. The sauna came from Finland. The use of natural pharmaceuticals is much more common in Europe than it is in the US which is the leading user of manufactured chemical drugs. The US population is overprescribed to drugs made by drug companies. US produces many of it's drugs in developing nations like Puerto Rico where environmenatal and health standards are lacking. For instance US drug firms manufacture  estrogenic birth control pills in Puerto Rico polluting water and air. Female children around factories have become 'fertile' at the age of 6 years old due to poor environmental and safegy standards. In Honduras, a military dictatorship, supported solely with US military equipment and funds, workers in US owned agriculture and food conglomerates have to drink water laced with highly toxic insecticides where cotton is grown. Insecticides are applied up to 40 times during the growing of cotton. European environmental and safety standards are very effective versus the US which is engineering and trafficking in genetically modified organism. Now the world markets are taking a pre-cautionary stance on protection of human health by restricting the import of genetically modified grains. The US sugar industry is highly subsidized, and there are even trade restrictions on the import of foods from many developing nations in the world. For instance there are tarrifs against the import of foods from very poor countries like Mozambique. The US is not a leader in terms of environmental justice.

The curdled arrogance of some European elites, and especially of those
clinging to a status that they sense is eroding, was displayed last Monday
in Jacques Chiracs dressing-down of Eastern European leaders who support 
U.S. policy. Speaking of them with the disdain of a duke deploring bad
manners among the servants below stairs, Chirac said they were guilty of 
"not well brought up behavior"something like using the fish fork during the
salad courseand that "they missed a good opportunity to keep quiet" because
several are still applicants for membership in the European Union.

Blah blah blah

There is not much to be gained just now from additional attempts to reason
with a leader that tone-deaf, or from attempts to soften the monomania of
those swarming in the "European street." Perhaps U.S. policy can change
European minds by changing facts in Iraq.

Perhaps not. However, Americas vital interests are more dependent on those
facts than on those minds.




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G. Wills (quoted by Anthony) wrote:

Todays demonstrators against a war to disarm Iraq can hardly be explained
by fear for their safety, or by sympathy for Saddam Husseins fascism. The
London demonstration -- 1 million strong, much the largest in British
historywas not as large as the death toll from the war Saddam Hussein
launched against Iran. The demonstrators simultaneously express respect for
the U.N.s resolutions and loathing for America, the only nation that can
enforce the resolutions. This moral infantilismwilling an end while
opposing the only means to that endreveals that the demonstrators believe
the means are more objectionable than the end is desirable.
 
 
My 'nope generators' are on. Arch-bishop of the Anglican church, the Holy See also agree with the millions who oppose US lead war against Iraq. Over 96% of Turkish citizens do not want the US going to war with Iraq.
 
The security council of the UN is the only organization which can enforce the resolution. US was not instrumental in any world war. 50 times more Russians died in WW2 than US soldiers. 95% of German soldiers were in eastern Europe by the time the US entered world war 2. Japan defeated itself due to the lack of Kamakaze fighters and planes. Near the end of the war, Japan had too few planes and Kamakaze fighters left to do any significant harm.


The demonstrators must know that Slobodan Milosevic and the Taliban would
still be tyrannizing Muslims were it not for U.S. power. But they do not
care.
 
All the US did was fly over Serbia once. Nothing happened except a hospital was blown up. Lots of 'collateral damage' thanks to the US. Canada was there as peace keeper, and enforced no fire where possible. Canada for the first time since WW2 fought in Afghanistan and suffered 4 causalities all caussed by  US jet fighters and this has resulted in a court marshall against US pilots. It was a big mistake for Canada to fight alongside with the US in Aghanistan. There were over 3000 civilian causalties of Aghanistani people, including women and children at a wedding ceremony. US has threated to use a new generation of nuclear weapons in both Iraq and Afghanistan, and has used depleted uranium during the Gulf War. The many dead in the Gulf War included over 200,000 retreating Iraqi soldiers, and private citizens.


And the demonstrators must know that if they turn President Bush into "the
noble Duke of York" (who "had ten-thousand men, he marched them up to the
top of the hill, and he marched them down again"), Hussein will bestride the
Middle East, and emulatorsand weapons of mass destructionwill proliferate.
That the demonstrators do not care is a measure of their
monomaniaanti-Americanism.
 
The US is more concerned about economic domination and supremacy of the oil industry than working out a peaceful solution to further war in the Middle East. The US is not committed to a peaceful solution in Iraq situation. It wants to set of a large 'pyrotechnic' display, and make many people afraid for their lifes. It wants to send hundreds of thousands of soldiers directly into Bagdad now before there is any peaceful solution.

For Europes elites, anti-Americanism is a sterile response to the galling
fact that Europe committed semi-suicide in the 20th century. But many of
these elites economic and defense policies are deepening Europes
self-inflicted anemia.
 
US supported fascist regimes in Europe prior to, during and after both world wars. In fact Klaus Barbie, and others were part of CIA efforts to thwart socialism where ever it could. After the last world war, just after the end of the Vietnam War, the US worked with China to defeat the USSR. Strangest irony in the world's history. First fight with vietcong, supported by the Chinese communists for a decade in Indochina, and then give up and begin fighting with the Chinese.


For example, Germany, which accounts for one-third of the euro zones
economic output, had Europes worst average annual growth rate over the past
decade (1.3 percent, barely better than Japans 1 percent). BusinessWeek,
calling Germany "Japan on the Rhine," reports that the nation that gave the
world aspirin was in the 1960s the worlds leading producer of
pharmaceuticals, but now does not have a pharmaceutical company among the
worlds top 15.
 
That is because Europeans rely on natural means to treat health problems. The sauna came from Finland. The use of natural pharmaceuticals is much more common in Europe than it is in the US which is the leading user of manufactured chemical drugs. The US population is overprescribed to drugs made by drug companies. US produces many of it's drugs in developing nations like Puerto Rico where environmenatal and health standards are lacking. For instance US drug firms manufacture  estrogenic birth control pills in Puerto Rico polluting water and air. Female children around factories have become 'fertile' at the age of 6 years old due to poor environmental and safegy standards. In Honduras, a military dictatorship, supported solely with US military equipment and funds, workers in US owned agriculture and food conglomerates have to drink water laced with highly toxic insecticides where cotton is grown. Insecticides are applied up to 40 times during the growing of cotton. European environmental and safety standards are very effective versus the US which is engineering and trafficking in genetically modified organism. Now the world markets are taking a pre-cautionary stance on protection of human health by restricting the import of genetically modified grains. The US sugar industry is highly subsidized, and there are even trade restrictions on the import of foods from many developing nations in the world. For instance there are tarrifs against the import of foods from very poor countries like Mozambique. The US is not a leader in terms of environmental justice.

The curdled arrogance of some European elites, and especially of those
clinging to a status that they sense is eroding, was displayed last Monday
in Jacques Chiracs dressing-down of Eastern European leaders who support
U.S. policy. Speaking of them with the disdain of a duke deploring bad
manners among the servants below stairs, Chirac said they were guilty of
"not well brought up behavior"something like using the fish fork during the
salad courseand that "they missed a good opportunity to keep quiet" because
several are still applicants for membership in the European Union.
 
Blah blah blah

There is not much to be gained just now from additional attempts to reason
with a leader that tone-deaf, or from attempts to soften the monomania of
those swarming in the "European street." Perhaps U.S. policy can change
European minds by changing facts in Iraq.

Perhaps not. However, Americas vital interests are more dependent on those
facts than on those minds.
 



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