From: "Allen Scult" <tristamigistus-AT-hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Time is temporal!
Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2003 20:40:55 -0600






>From: michaelP <michael-AT-sandwich-de-sign.co.uk>
>Reply-To: heidegger-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu
>To: heidegger-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu
>Subject: Re: Time is temporal!
>Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2003 08:37:32 +0000
>
>Allen having an effect on me:
>
> > But does the verb "virken" ( to have an effect) bear at all on the 
>meaning of
> > Wirklichkeit?  It does make Nietzschean if not German sense:  "A thing 
>is the
> > sum of its effects."  The forward moving, retroflective, having an 
>effect back
> > on itself, of becoming makes a thing what it "actually" (wirklich) is.
>
>Allen, just an aside here (I am even more poverty-stricken Germanwise!): 
>the
>Nietzschean "A thing is the sum of its effects." reminds me of the position
>Heisenberg (weren't Heisenberg and Heidegger well-known to each other? I
>seem to remember Heidegger speaking in glowing terms of Heisenberg...) and
>his circle take upon the entities of quantum mechanics, namely, that they
>are nothing but how they are encountered during experiments and
>observations; purely phenomena. The 'electron' 'is' only how it is found;
>how it shows itself to the apparatuses of its revelation; its tracework, 
>its
>mark, inscription, upon the surfaces of its (experimental/observational)
>(re)presentation. It does not exist, is not in being, apart from this. This
>also re-minds me of Bachelard's characterisation of measuring
>instruments/experimental set-ups as "materialised theories"... In putting
>out the 'electron' as having a momentum or position (measuring its
>momentum/position), the 'electron' is a thing with momentum/position, etc.
>The set-up sets up the 'electron' as such-and-such a being, etc. What/that
>it is between measurements/observations, of this, we can not speak (it 
>takes
>an other set-up to show that the 'electron' has been as such...). 
>Heisenberg
>digs the logos :-) and thus reaches back to Heraclitus and forwards to
>phenomenology right at the very heart of modern science. Somehow, eerily in
>the neighbourhood of Heideggerian thinking of being and beings, almost
>catching a being in its be-ing.
>

Precisely the idea, Michael:  to catch a being in its be-ing at just the 
point
where interpretation seems to "step in" with sufficient power to actualize 
the thing,
to give it "actuality." It is at this point where the interpretation becomes 
a valuing--
the thing being valued for its effects.

I'm thinking of religion, for example,which, of course,is an interpretation, 
but an inter-
pretration that is valued for its effects.  "Looking back,"I might say that 
Judaism became
an actuality for me to the degree that I valued its effects, the joys of 
being Jewish.

There's a bit of Hume in this bit of Nietzschean psychology--faith in God is 
actualized by
an affection for its effects:  for the condition of believing.

Is this also the secret of love?

Allen ( hopingalso for more of Rick's poetry to which I can think of no 
response,
but to appreciate)

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