From: "John Foster" <borealis-AT-mercuryspeed.com>
Subject: Re: Numbers Game Question
Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 15:20:25 -0800


Anthony,

I cannot follow your argument very well.

You seem to think that Deep Ecology is a means to 'mitigate
anxiety' which you personally dissapprove of due to some
thing you claim has to do with the 'ontic' versus the
'ontological'.

I am an ecologist, MSc level. Deep Ecologists experience
anxiety for a variety of reasons. One of which may be due to
the perception and critical evaluation of environmental
quality in a region, or globally. Anxiety is an acute
'concern' about something; care is 'active concern'
[sorgen]. To have a conscience is therefore not to have
guilt. In fact as Heidegger stated, 'guilt is the wanting to
have a conscience.'

Hiedegger's philosophy is a 'concrete ontology' rather than
an abstract ontology which it appears you have rendered. It
is confusing what you are writing because it is dependent on
these types of expressions:

'being-in-the-world'

'non-being'

The anxiety of the ecologist has a unique character....I
would love that my anxiety be mitigated by some progress
toward sustainability of both ecosystems and cultures which
nurture ecosystems. Your chronic dualistic form of reasoning
is confusing.

chao

john foster

"The decision to employ lethal or incapacitating chemical or
biological agents is a matter of national policy. When the
decision is made, United States Army, Air Force and Marine
Corps commanders will recieve through command channels the
authority to use such agents and specific guidance in their
use....the United States is not a party to any treaty, now
in force, that prohibits or restricts the use in warfare of
toxic or nontoxic gases...or of bacteriological warfare.
[Army Field Manual 3-10, US Government]"

----- Original Message -----
From: "Anthony Crifasi" <crifasi-AT-hotmail.com>
To: <heidegger-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu>
Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2003 2:20 PM
Subject: Re: Numbers Game Question


John you can't just keep doing this. You just keep posting
without answering
the specific texts and arguments that I gave in my last
reply to you
concerning your interpretation of Heidegger. Especially
damning for you was
the text on anxiety which I posted, because your whole
"Heideggerian"
justification for Deep Ecology is the mitigation of anxiety.
As that text
showed, anxiety not only should not be eliminated, but
CANNOT be eliminated,
because anxiety is precisely how Dasein is authentically
disclosed as pure
potentiality for being. The fact that you think anxiety (as
Heidegger means
it) can be mitigated or even eliminated clearly shows that
you are
interpretating anxiety ontically. Anxiety is not about just
any non-being;
it is specifically about the "non-being" which is Dasein
itself (pure
potentiality for being). To mitigate anxiety, you would have
to mitigate
Dasein!

Anthony Crifasi

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Published 3/21/2003 2:46 PM

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