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From: "Paul Murphy" <Villanova-AT-btopenworld.com>
Subject: Re: censorship
Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 20:57:18 +0100


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I think you need to sort out in your mind the difference between Marshall Mathers, Slim Shady and Emminem, I can do without it.  There are plenty of better books/songs/poems on the matter of homophobia, which is not to demean Emminem, who I think has some good things and has a massive audience. 
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  From: Jason Stuart
  To: heidegger-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu
  Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 8:48 PM
  Subject: Re: censorship


  

   Paul Murphy <Villanova-AT-btopenworld.com> wrote:

    no, I don't find his work distasteful, taste or morals don't come into it.
    I disagree with him against a framework of ideas. For instance, although he
    constantly goes on about 'faggots' to the point of obsession, that they are
    threatening, frightening others, at one point he has a recorded track where
    his male friends are giving him head. Emminem is clearly riven with
    contradiction of a rather juvenile kind. Yes, its kinda funny, but I think
    maybe a 14 yr old would be highly amused, I hardly think a person of my age
    would bat an eyelid and just hope that he can sort it all out and make an
    album which addresses some more meaningful issues.


  You don't think homophobia is a "meaningful" issue?  What is, then?

  Since you've already labeled Eminem (the person, not the personna, I assume) as white trash, what is it that he can do to approach meaning?  Isn't contradiction and ambiguity a particularly formalist condition for meaningful art?

  JS




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I think you need to sort out in your mind the difference between Marshall Mathers, Slim Shady and Emminem, I can do without it.  There are plenty of better books/songs/poems on the matter of homophobia, which is not to demean Emminem, who I think has some good things and has a massive audience. 
----- Original Message -----
From: Jason Stuart
To: heidegger-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu
Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 8:48 PM
Subject: Re: censorship

 Paul Murphy <Villanova-AT-btopenworld.com> wrote:

no, I don't find his work distasteful, taste or morals don't come into it.
I disagree with him against a framework of ideas. For instance, although he
constantly goes on about 'faggots' to the point of obsession, that they are
threatening, frightening others, at one point he has a recorded track where
his male friends are giving him head. Emminem is clearly riven with
contradiction of a rather juvenile kind. Yes, its kinda funny, but I think
maybe a 14 yr old would be highly amused, I hardly think a person of my age
would bat an eyelid and just hope that he can sort it all out and make an
album which addresses some more meaningful issues.

You don't think homophobia is a "meaningful" issue?  What is, then?

Since you've already labeled Eminem (the person, not the personna, I assume) as white trash, what is it that he can do to approach meaning?  Isn't contradiction and ambiguity a particularly formalist condition for meaningful art?

JS



!-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------!

 "...even if he recopied them later, as I suspect he sometimes did, he marked his card or cards not with the date of his final adjustments, but with that of his Corrected Draft or first Fair Copy. I mean, he preserved the date of actual creation rather than that of second or third thoughts. There is a very loud amusement park right in front of my present lodgings."



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