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From: GEVANS613-AT-aol.com
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 07:06:51 EDT
Subject: Re: [M]Alice in Blunderland again...



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In a message dated 07/04/2003 10:12:49 GMT Daylight Time, crifasi-AT-hotmail.com 
writes:

> 
> 
> 
> >"vorausspringender Fuersorge" in _Sein und Zeit_, a taking-care-of
> >others which clears the way for them to take care of themselves rather
> >than an "einspringende Fuersorge" which tries to disburden them of this
> >necessary existential predicament.
> 
> Anthony Crifasi wrote:

I want to see the context of this phrase. Can someone point to an exact spot 

> in SuZ where it occurs?
> 
> 

Jud:
You can find a reference to it in:

CHAPTER XII

Alice's Evidence.

"The trial cannot proceed," said the King in a very grave voice, looking hard 
at Alice as he said so.  "until all the Heideggerian jurymen are back in 
their proper places -- all," he repeated with great emphasis ..."all of you 
must realise that the accused claims that the meaning of "'vorausspringender 
Fuersorge," in  his children's book Sein und Zeit, does not mean a 
taking-care-of others, in  the sense that Al Capone, or the accused and his 
gangster Nazi pals later "took care" of people,  but in  a sense which clears 
the way for the victims to be less dependant and  to take care of themselves, 
and live a life of uninterupted freedom and potential happiness in the realm 
much like any other member of the German population. 
What actually happened is ignored by the defendant anyway, for after the war 
he suffered from mental problems, and an apparent loss of memory, and  he has 
never apologised right up to the time he entered our witness box at half past 
nine this very morning."

As soon as the jury of Heideggerians had a little recovered from the shock of 
being upset, and their slates and pencils had been found and handed back to 
them, they set to work very diligently to rub out the history of  their 
hero's Nazi activities, all except the Lizard, who seemed too much overcome 
to do anything but sit with its mouth open, gazing up into the roof of the 
court and wondering how and why he had ever blundered into Blunderland in the 
first place.

`What do you know about this business?' the King said to Alice. `Nothing,' 
said Alice. `Nothing whatever?' persisted the King. `Nothing whatever,' said 
Alice. `That's very important,' the King said, turning to the jury. "Alice 
says "nothing," but we all know that "nothing doesn't exist"  - so how can 
she know something that doesn't exist?"  They were just beginning to write 
this down on their slates, when the White Rabbit interrupted: `Being' your 
Majesty means, 'Being',' he said in a very respectful tone, but frowning and 
making faces at him as he spoke. `Being', of course, 'Being'' the King 
hastily said, and went on to himself in an undertone, `Being--Being--- 
Being---Being---' as if he were trying to convice himself it had some 
meaning. The jury loved words - particularly meaningless words, and some of 
them wrote down `Being,' and some `Nothing.' Alice could see these 
meaningless words, as she was near enough to look over their slates; `but it 
doesn't matter a bit,' she thought to herself. - "they're just silly old 
cards."

At this the whole pack of lies rose up into the air, and like the Japanese 
aircraft at Pearl Harbour came flying down upon her: screaming: "Being! 
Being! Being!"  She gave a little scream, half of fright and half of anger, 
and tried to beat them off, and found herself lying on the bank, with her 
head in the lap of her sister, who was gently brushing away some dead leaves 
that had fluttered down from the trees upon her face. 

Cheers,

Jud.

<A HREF="http://evans-experientialism.freewebspace.com/ ">http://evans-experientialism.freewebspace.com/</A> 
Jud Evans - ANALYTICAL INDICANT THEORY.
<A HREF="http://uncouplingthecopula.freewebspace.com">http://uncouplingthecopula.freewebspace.com


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In a message dated 07/04/2003 10:12:49 GMT Daylight Time, crifasi-AT-hotmail.com writes:




>"vorausspringender Fuersorge" in _Sein und Zeit_, a taking-care-of
>others which clears the way for them to take care of themselves rather
>than an "einspringende Fuersorge" which tries to disburden them of this
>necessary existential predicament.

Anthony Crifasi wrote:


I want to see the context of this phrase. Can someone point=20to an exact spot

in SuZ where it occurs?



Jud:
You can find a reference to it in:

CHAPTER XII

Alice's Evidence.


"The trial cannot proceed," said the King in a very grave voice,=20looking hard at Alice as he said so.  "until all the Heideggerian jurymen are back in their proper places -- all," he repeated with great emphasis ..."all of you must realise that the accused claims that the meaning of "'vorausspringender Fuersorge," in  his children's book Sein und Zeit, does not mean a taking-care-of others, in  the sense that Al Capone, or=20the accused and his gangster Nazi pals later "took care" of people,  but in  a sense which clears the way for the victims to be less dependant and  to take care of themselves, and live a life of uninterupted freedom and potential happiness in the realm much like any other member of the German population.
What actually happened is ignored by the defendant anyway, for after the war he suffered from mental problems, and an apparent loss of memory, and  he has never apologised right up to the time he entered our witness box at half past nine this very morning."

As soon as the jury of Heideggerians had a little recovered from the shock of being upset, and their slates and pencils had been found and handed back to them, they set to work very diligently to rub out the history of  their hero's Nazi activities, all except the Lizard, who seemed too much overcome to do anything but sit with its mouth open, gazing up into the roof of the court and wondering how and why he had ever blundered into Blunderland in the first place.

`What do you know about this business?' the King said to Alice. `Nothing,' said Alice. `Nothing whatever?' persisted the King. `Nothing whatever,' said Alice. `That's very important,' the King said, turning to the jury. "Alice says "nothing," but we all know that "nothing doesn't exist"  - so how can she know something that doesn't exist?"  They were just beginning to write this down on their slates, when the White Rabbit interrupted: `Being' your Majesty means, 'Being',' he said in a very respectful tone, but frowning and making faces at him as=20he spoke. `Being', of course, 'Being'' the King hastily said, and went on to himself in an undertone, `Being--Being--- Being---Being---' as if he were trying to convice himself it had some meaning. The jury loved words - particularly meaningless words, and some of them wrote down `Being,' and some `Nothing.' Alice could see these meaningless words, as she was near enough to look over their slates; `but it doesn't matter a bit,' she thought to herself. - "they're just silly old cards."

At this the whole pack of lies rose up into the air, and like the Japanese aircraft at Pearl Harbour came flying down upon her: screaming: "Being! Being! Being!"  She gave a little scream, half of fright and half of anger, and tried to beat them off, and found herself lying on the bank,=20with her head in the lap of her sister, who was gently brushing away some dead leaves that had fluttered down from the trees upon her face.

Cheers,

Jud.

http://evans-experientialism.freewebspace.com/
Jud Evans - ANALYTICAL INDICANT THEORY.
http://uncouplingthecopula.freewebspace.com


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