From: GEVANS613-AT-aol.com Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 07:10:13 EDT Subject: Re: Heidegger on Kant for Rene --part1_19b.133e45b0.2bc6ab15_boundary In a message dated 09/04/2003 16:52:12 GMT Daylight Time, R.B.M.deBakker-AT-uva.nl writes: Hi Rene, I missed out answering this question, so I've come back to it. > Would you call death real or existent, and but not the possibility to die > that every Dasein carries with it as long as it is Dasein? > > Jud: I'm always very cautious when I employ the word "real." The word can be used as an intensifier to suggest a thing is genuine, > > "It's a "real" seventeenth century commode." But most of the time I would > use it to verify some action or state of an entity occurring in fact or > actuality - that the entity undergoing that existential modality or state > has a verified existence; not illusory, reified or imagined. > If I said: "Heidegger is really dead." I would be stating that in my > opinion Heidegger is no longer a living entity, but the body of Heidegger > now exists in that lifeless modality or state of death which we attribute > to a human corpse that we call "dead." I would be asseverating that his > body is in a lifeless state of existing, which we call being "dead." > Death itself of course does not exist, for "death" is no more that a state, > and "states" don't exist - only the entities that are or exist in those > states exist > There is no possibility whatsoever that any "dasein" will ever die, simply because no "dasein" has ever lived. That which has never existed can never not exist. "Dasein" is a make-believe or pretend persona or multi-persona in Heidegger's story book for thinkers - a fanciful symbolic representation of the state of existing here [being there] on earth. One can immediately see that there is no state of existing [or being,] for existing, or being, ALREADY IS A STATE and one cannot have a state of a state. One can only exist - one cannot exist in the state of existing, whether that existing is manifested on earth, or Mars or anywhere else in the Solar system. Like the "is" question, those that cannot grasp this most basic ontological fact haven't got a snowball in hell's chance of understanding Heidegger's basic and most profound error - a boner that runs like a fault-line through all his works and renders them invalid. "Dancing-there" cannot dance - only the dancer dancing there is dancing. Cheers, Jud. <A HREF="http://evans-experientialism.freewebspace.com/ ">http://evans-experientialism.freewebspace.com/</A> Jud Evans - ANALYTICAL INDICANT THEORY. <A HREF="http://uncouplingthecopula.freewebspace.com">http://uncouplingthecopula.freewebspace.com</A> --part1_19b.133e45b0.2bc6ab15_boundary
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Would you call=20death real or existent, and but not the possibility to die that every Dasein carries with it as long as it is Dasein?
"It's a "real" seventeenth century commode." But most of the time I would use it to verify some action or state of an entity occurring in fact or actuality - that the entity undergoing that existential modality or state has a verified existence; not illusory, reified or imagined.
If I said: "Heidegger is really dead." I would be stating that in my opinion Heidegger is no longer a living entity, but the body of Heidegger now exists in that lifeless modality or state of death which we attribute to a human corpse that we call "dead." I would be asseverating that his body is in a lifeless state of existing, which we call being "dead." Death itself of course does not exist, for=20"death" is no more that a state, and "states" don't exist - only the entities that are or exist in those states existThere is no possibility whatsoever that any "dasein" will ever die, simply because no "dasein" has ever lived. That which has never existed can never not exist. "Dasein" is a make-believe or pretend persona or multi-persona in Heidegger's story book for thinkers - a fanciful symbolic representation of the state of existing here [being there] on earth. One can immediately see that there is no state of existing [or being,] for existing, or being, ALREADY IS A STATE and one cannot have a state of a state. One can only exist - one cannot exist in the state of existing, whether that existing is manifested on earth, or Mars or anywhere else in the Solar system.
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