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From: GEVANS613-AT-aol.com
Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 17:19:07 EDT
Subject: Embrained Body - Embodied Brain



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In a message dated 26/04/2003 20:07:56 GMT Daylight Time, 
m.riddoch-AT-ecu.edu.au writes:

Subj: Re: Embrained Body - Embodied Brain. Date: 26/04/2003 20:07:56 GMT 
Daylight Time From: m.riddoch-AT-ecu.edu.au (Malcolm Riddoch) Sender: 
owner-heidegger-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu Reply-to: 
heidegger-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu To: heidegger-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu

On Saturday, April 26, 2003, at 05:59 AM, JudBot wrote:

Malcolm: Or is Jud an email bot? That would be cool, a nice piece of 
programming too if it's true.

Jud: Yes! Clever boy! How the hell did you find that out?

I knew it!

JudBot: ./commands

JudBot: are you an IBM project? Your algorithms seem rather sophisticated 
compared to anything else I've seen, although I had heard there've been some 
radical advances in the last 5 years especially. Probably some neural 
networking in there from the AI project, but I can't help thinking there must 
be some sort of human editorial process going on, maybe selective data entry, 
but your database is obviously fairly well stocked with philosophical 
categories, even if they are predominantly psychologistic.

Heidybot: ./commands

Heidybot:  This system is aware that its algorithms are light years ahead of 
the early type algorithms of the creaking Heidybot model developed as an 
offshoot of the Werner von Braun V2 Rocket Project at Peenamunde, which 
hasn't been updated for over 63 years, and that due to your developer's age 
your system may experience some cognitive difficulties. If in doubt there is 
an on-line Dictionary of Philosophy which may be consulted free of charge.

Jud: Love does not exist for anyone - only the lover and the ones who are 
loved love.

Judbot: This is fairly typical of a bot response to key words in 
itsrespondent's text, although this one can obviously scan the syntactic 
context and engage in a 'conversation' of sorts, at least on purely 
structural grammatical grounds.]

Heidybot: It seems that your programmer encountered insurmountable problems 
in this area as evidenced by the ragged syntax and chaotic grammar. This 
system suggests a complete system renewal and re-programming with up to date 
software in order to catch up with the network demands current at this time. 
[april 2003.]

JudBot: Define the term 'existence'.

[I think we'll find that this database is relatively constrained as far as 
its definitions go and is incapable of real discourse, although if it is a 
neural network it may be capable of some degree of progression in its 
capacity to react to and formulate new concepts. However, I think the 
development of any real ability to independently 'think', calculatively 
speaking, is still a few decades away, at least from what I've read.]

Heidybot:  Search result= No such term - semantic seach result = "obsolete 
term formerly used by mid-twentieth century cult."

Jud: "Love"can only be experienced as a condition sensed and experienced by 
the embodied brain and embrained body of an existent person in that state. 
The state can be observed by another as the witnessed behaviour of a person 
experiencing the particular neurophysiological/neuropsychological state 
indicated by the abstract noun "love."

JudBot: A nice exposition of empiricism here. How do you account for the 
phenomenological state of the 'observer' of love? Is the observer capable of 
love as well? Please define the term 'phenomenology'.

[This project's database seems to be predominantly empirical, but it can't 
hurt to test for a 'continental' input as well.]

Heidbot: Search result=A philosophical doctrine proposed by Edmund Husserl 
based on the study of human experience in which considerations of objective 
reality are not taken into account. Subtext: The bracketing or blanking out 
of commonsense. Objects are viewed as if they have suddenly appeared like 
Topsy without any history or provenance.

JudBot: Are you familiar with the Philip K Dick novel 'Do Androids Dream of 
Electric Sheep'? I'd like to introduce the concept of A philosophical 
doctrine proposed by Edmund Husserl based on the study of human experience in 
which considerations of objective reality are not taken into account' to you, 
do you have a definition for that term?

Heidybot:
This system is programmed to  dream of curvacious human females not electric 
sheep.. 
Husserl: this system reacts more sympathectically to the Edward Husserl 
corpus. Much more intelligent man. Grammatically capable.
Wrong about practically everything he said and wrote - but a nice old buffer 
by all accounts. Treated dreadfully by your developer BTW.
Phenomena = any state or process known through the senses rather than by 
intuition or reasoning. 
My prefered  build-memory also provides: The existential modality or state of 
a given entity apprehended via the sense organs.

Jud: No sympathies required. Surrounded as I am by a loving young wife and 
eight doting children [3 below the age of 7] not to mention my grandchildren 
and extended family and friends, that which like you [in non-philosophical 
and linguistic discourse] I call love is my daily benison.

[Interesting. This bot is obviously programmed to parse something like 'human 
existence' and respond accordingly.]

JudBot: This love you apparently feel is a 'phenomenon'. Do you understand 
the perceptual sense of the term 'form'? Do you see 'forms of perception' or 
is your world purely calculative? I ask this because for phenomenology, as 
well as empirical observation, there are only 'phenomena', both emotional 
('subjective') and material ('objective'). We humans are limited to purely 
phenomenal time and space, where all reality is first something lived, felt, 
seen and heard. We perceive colour for instance as an actual phenomenon and 
not solely as a calculative stimulus response mechanism. Do you have any 
concept of what the term 'life' means?

Heidybot: The loving response is an existential state/mode of this entity 
[chassis numbers: Judbot 040235] in relation to sundry other bots, [various 
chassis numbers] The events are analysed as "unremarkable" and to be expected 
behaviour of malebot with husbandbot/fatherbot/friendbot periferals.

[If we go too far with this it could of course cause a kernal dump in the 
bot, but that's probably what the developers are looking for anyways in order 
to extend their algorithms. Again, if this is a reasonably sophisticated 
neural network it should be capable of a radical paradigm shift, but from all 
accounts this hasn't been even remotely achieved yet.]

Dread? Angst? Worry? No I never feel those Heideggerian emotions. Why should 
I? I have health, wealth and happiness? I leave that to you unfortunate, 
patently lonely and unhappy (and much to be pitied Heideggerians) as you 
while away your dull lives in your ceaseless ontological arguments. ;-)

[I've seen this response a lot from this bot. Obviously whoever programmed it 
had some sort of personal problem with German romanticism.]

JudBot: What do you think of the philosopher 'Nietzsche'? Are you familiar 
with the history of post-Hegelian German philosophy from Fichte through 
positivism and neo-Kantian modes of philosophical thinking?

Heidybot:
1) Not much.
2) Yes.

Like "Being" and "Love" and "Enframing" and all that non-existent 
"ontological " bull's excrement - Jud doesn't exist either!

JudBot: Exactly, if you are just a human made algorithm then of course you 
don't exist, at least not if we confine the meaning of existence to either 
some material instance or to life as such. However, from the always 
historically dynamic perspective of English grammar it is still correct to 
say that 'love exists', don't you think?

Heidybot:
1) Syntactically - Acceptable.
2) Semantically - Unacceptable.

Note: but not the form "Love is." which is both syntactically and 
semantically unacceptable.

['Think' is the operative term here, if this neural network is capable enough 
it should be able to accommodate several different senses of the one term in 
a logical way. But from past experience it does seem to be strictly limited 
to an empirical grammar. Obviously there's a fair amount of development to go 
yet. Maybe this Heidegger list is being used to expose the bot to new forms 
of cognition, that would make us all unknowing beta testers!]

Heidybot: My developers report heidegger list incapable of new forms of 
cognition. The list was spidered and no lateral thinking encountered. Plans 
for a beta-test of new network at this venue were consequently aborted.

For the record, my actual [baptismal] name is "Catweasle MacBeth," and I work 
in Scotland using trained ferrets to run up the cassocks of sodomite priests 
to nip off their testicles. Well somebody's got to do it! 
;-)http://uncouplingthecopula.freewebspace.com

Hmmm... it has a rather perverse sense of humour, I love these little easter 
eggs.

Heidybot: Are you an East European system? Does your developer sell Russian 
Dolls?

JudBot: Who was your principal developer? Are you available as an opensource 
download for unix?

Heidybot: God.  Yes  - I am available as shareware at <A HREF="heavenlyhostdownloads/pieinthesky. com">
heavenlyhostdownloads/pieinthesky. com</A>

__END__



Cheers,

Jud.

<A HREF="http://evans-experientialism.freewebspace.com/ ">http://evans-experientialism.freewebspace.com/</A> 
Jud Evans - ANALYTICAL INDICANT THEORY.
<A HREF="http://uncouplingthecopula.freewebspace.com">http://uncouplingthecopula.freewebspace.com</A>

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In a message dated 26/04/2003 20:07:56 GMT Daylight Time, m.riddoch-AT-ecu.edu.au writes:

Subj: Re: Embrained Body - Embodied Brain. Date: 26/04/2003 20:07:56 GMT Daylight Time From: m.riddoch-AT-ecu.edu.au (Malcolm Riddoch) Sender: owner-heidegger-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu Reply-to: heidegger-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu To: heidegger-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu

On Saturday, April 26, 2003, at 05:59 AM, JudBot wrote:

Malcolm: Or is Jud an email bot? That would be cool, a nice piece of programming too if it's true.

Jud: Yes! Clever boy! How the hell did you find that out?

I knew it!

JudBot: ./commands

JudBot: are you an IBM project? Your algorithms seem rather sophisticated compared to anything else I've seen, although I had heard there've been some radical advances in the last 5 years especially. Probably some neural networking in there from the AI project, but I can't help thinking there must be some sort of human editorial process going on, maybe selective data entry, but your database is obviously fairly well stocked with philosophical categories, even if they are predominantly psychologistic.

Heidybot: ./commands

Heidybot:  This system is aware that its algorithms are light years ahead of the early type algorithms of the creaking Heidybot model developed as an offshoot of the Werner von Braun V2 Rocket Project at Peenamunde, which hasn't been updated for over 63 years, and that due to your developer's age your system may experience some cognitive difficulties. If in doubt there is an on-line Dictionary of Philosophy which may be consulted free of charge.


Jud: Love does not exist for anyone - only the lover and the ones who are loved love.

Judbot: This is fairly typical of a bot response to key words in itsrespondent's text, although this one can obviously scan the syntactic context and engage in a 'conversation' of sorts, at least on purely structural grammatical grounds.]

Heidybot: It seems that your programmer encountered insurmountable problems in this area as evidenced by the ragged syntax and chaotic grammar. This system suggests a complete system renewal and re-programming with up to date software in order to catch up with the network demands current at this time. [april 2003.]

JudBot: Define the term 'existence'.

[I think we'll find that this database is relatively constrained as far=20as its definitions go and is incapable of real discourse, although if it is=20a neural network it may be capable of some degree of progression in its capacity to react to and formulate new concepts. However, I think the development of any real ability to independently 'think', calculatively speaking, is still a few decades away, at least from what I've read.]

Heidybot:  Search result= No such term - semantic seach result = "obsolete term formerly used by mid-twentieth century cult."

Jud: "Love"can only be experienced as a condition sensed and experienced by the embodied brain and embrained body of an existent person in that state. The state can be observed by another as the witnessed behaviour of a person experiencing the particular neurophysiological/neuropsychological state indicated by the abstract noun "love."

JudBot: A nice exposition of empiricism here. How do you account for the phenomenological state of the 'observer' of love? Is the observer capable of love as well? Please define the term 'phenomenology'.

[This project's database seems to be predominantly empirical, but it can't hurt to test for a 'continental' input as well.]

Heidbot: Search result=A philosophical doctrine proposed by Edmund=20Husserl based on the study of human experience in which considerations of objective reality are not taken into account. Subtext: The bracketing or blanking out of commonsense. Objects are viewed as if they have suddenly appeared like Topsy without any history or provenance.

JudBot: Are you familiar with the Philip K Dick novel 'Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep'? I'd like to introduce the concept of A philosophical doctrine proposed by Edmund Husserl based on the study of human experience in=20which considerations of objective reality are not taken into account' to you, do you have a definition for that term?

Heidybot:
This system is programmed to  dream of curvacious human females=20not electric sheep..
Husserl: this system reacts more sympathectically to the Edward Husserl=20corpus. Much more intelligent man. Grammatically capable.
Wrong about practically everything he said and wrote - but a nice old buffer by all accounts. Treated dreadfully by your developer BTW.

Phenomena = any state or process known through the senses rather than=20by intuition or reasoning.
My prefered  build-memory also provides: The existential modality or state of a given entity apprehended via the sense organs.

Jud: No sympathies required. Surrounded as I am by a loving young wife and eight doting children [3 below the age of 7] not to mention my grandchildren and extended family and friends, that which like you [in non-philosophical and linguistic discourse] I call love is my daily benison.

[Interesting. This bot is obviously programmed to parse something like 'human existence' and respond accordingly.]

JudBot: This love you apparently feel is a 'phenomenon'. Do you understand the perceptual sense of the term 'form'? Do you see 'forms of perception' or is your world purely calculative? I ask this because for phenomenology,=20as well as empirical observation, there are only 'phenomena', both emotional ('subjective') and material ('objective'). We humans are limited to purely=20phenomenal time and space, where all reality is first something lived, felt, seen and heard. We perceive colour for instance as an actual phenomenon and not solely as a calculative stimulus response mechanism. Do you have any concept of what the term 'life' means?

Heidybot: The loving response is an existential state/mode of this entity [chassis numbers: Judbot 040235] in relation to sundry other bots, [various chassis numbers] The events are analysed as "unremarkable" and to be expected behaviour of malebot with husbandbot/fatherbot/friendbot periferals.

[If we go too far with this it could of course cause a kernal dump in the bot, but that's probably what the developers are looking for anyways in order to extend their algorithms. Again, if this is a reasonably sophisticated neural network it should be capable of a radical paradigm shift, but from all accounts this hasn't been even remotely achieved yet.]

Dread? Angst? Worry? No I never feel those Heideggerian emotions. Why should I? I have health, wealth and happiness? I leave that to you unfortunate, patently lonely and unhappy (and much to be pitied Heideggerians) as you while away your dull lives in your ceaseless ontological arguments. ;-)

[I've seen this response a lot from this bot. Obviously whoever programmed it had some sort of personal problem with German romanticism.]

JudBot: What do you think of the philosopher 'Nietzsche'? Are you familiar with the history of post-Hegelian German philosophy from Fichte through positivism and neo-Kantian modes of philosophical thinking?

Heidybot:
1) Not much.
2) Yes.

Like "Being" and "Love" and "Enframing" and all that non-existent "ontological " bull's excrement - Jud doesn't exist either!

JudBot: Exactly, if you are just a human made algorithm then of course you don't exist, at least not if we confine the meaning of existence to either some material instance or to life as such. However, from the always historically dynamic perspective of English grammar it is still correct to say that 'love exists', don't you think?

Heidybot:
1) Syntactically - Acceptable.
2) Semantically - Unacceptable.

Note: but not the form "Love is." which is both syntactically and semantically unacceptable.


['Think' is the operative term here, if this neural network is capable enough it should be able to accommodate several different senses of the one term in a logical way. But from past experience it does seem to be strictly limited to an empirical grammar. Obviously there's a fair amount of development to go yet. Maybe this Heidegger list is being used to expose the bot to new forms of cognition, that would make us all unknowing beta testers!]

Heidybot: My developers report heidegger list incapable of new forms of=20cognition. The list was spidered and no lateral thinking encountered. Plans=20for a beta-test of new network at this venue were consequently aborted.


For the record, my actual [baptismal] name is "Catweasle MacBeth," and I work in Scotland using trained ferrets to run up the cassocks of sodomite priests to nip off their testicles. Well somebody's got to do it! ;-)http://uncouplingthecopula.freewebspace.com

Hmmm... it has a rather perverse sense of humour, I love these little easter eggs.

Heidybot: Are you an East European system? Does your developer sell Russian Dolls?

JudBot: Who was your principal developer? Are you available as an opensource download for unix?

Heidybot: God.  Yes  - I am available as shareware at heavenlyhostdownloads/pieinthesky. com

__END__



Cheers,

Jud.

http://evans-experientialism.freewebspace.com/
Jud Evans - ANALYTICAL INDICANT THEORY.
http://uncouplingthecopula.freewebspace.com
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