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From: GEVANS613-AT-aol.com
Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 16:26:24 EDT
Subject: Re: God inside me



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In a message dated 01/05/2003 19:09:18 GMT Daylight Time, rparkany-AT-borg.com 
writes:


> Subj:Re: God inside me
> Date:01/05/2003 19:09:18 GMT Daylight Time
> From:    rparkany-AT-borg.com (Rick Parkany)
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> To:    heidegger-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu
> 
> 
> 
> 
> And foidaMore (invoking Bugs Bunny)...
> 
> ...*commanding obedience among the flocks* is more a characterisitic of
> typically heirarchic and paternalistic human cultural systems than it is
> endemic to the religious. And who sez they *behave themselves*?
> (*behave*? this IS a philosophic discussion list, or am I wrong?) 

Jud:  
You believe that the media coverage of handcuffed priests and empty churches 
are "urban legends?"

  rparkany
> whole line of reasoning is based, at best, upon urban (or rather global)
> legends, having just so much fact involved as to whet the appetite of the
> more biggotred among us.
> http://www.ulrc.com.au/HTML/Frequently_Asked_Questions.ASP

Jud:
Here is the search result for "priests" on your Urban Legends link:
    You Searched For:   
>    Search Term(s):     priests 
>    Search Archive:     Urban Legends   
>    Search Operation:   All 
No matches found!   
    
Are you claiming the that imams and rabbis are NOT behaving themselves then?

rparkany:
> Research has shown that pederasty, child abuse, and/or petty theft is no
> more pronounced among religious cults than it is in the general
> population...
> 
> Jud:
> The people being arrested are not cult members, they are Christian priests 
> - the cult leaders.


rparkany:
there are as many deviates *per capita* this list as there
> are looking back at you from the pulpit. There are just as many
> institutional enablers in the secular world as there are in the cults.


Jud:
How do you know this?

> 
> Heidegger was often faulted by received wisdom for having been dabling in
> cultural  anthroplogy rather than philosophy in his time. 

Jud:
To my knowledge only Husserl accused him of this "error?"  Who else made this 
criticism?
Are you suggesting that Husserl was: a one man "received wisdom." Or were 
there others?
 Either way, who were the recipients of this received wisdom?

rparkany:
> of you this list need a visit to Marvin Harris' bibliographic 
> reference
> set or enable your better analytics of the ontical by enrolling in
> Anthro101...or keep to the point and don't embarrass yourselves your
> *knowledgeNetwork* slips and other dirty underwear are
> showing--straighten up!    ;-} rap.


Jud:
First you conclude, [with the aid of your anthropo-statistical crystal ball]  
that some of us on this list are sexual deviates, then you suggest 
we start studying anthropology. You're sounding a bit prescriptive and 
patriarchal - almost as if commanding obedience is some kind of turn on for 
you? 
I thought that the discussion touched on the "authentic," and Anthony brought 
in Levinas on the subject concerning lies and lying.
Does not the "authentic" apply to priests too - particularly as their 
"behaviour" has almost wrecked the Christian church, or do you want the word 
"p******" to be expunged and treated like the word "N****" , and not 
mentioned in our polite cyber-company? ;-)  What do you think Heidegger as an 
ex-scholar  who studied under Jesuit priests, and later [after the war] 
claimed he was a "theologian" would  have to say in relation to 
"authenticity," now that the main church of western christendom has been 
brought to its knees by priestly misbehaviour?
Are you maintaining that such a dramatic turn of events, which has led to  
the mighty church of Rome, which kept alive the glory of the Greek genius 
throughout the dark ages, being reduced to this embarrassment is not a fit 
subject of discussion.
It is particularly interesting when it is mirrored by the resurgence of the 
rival religion of Islam?  You think that this is an anthropological question?


Cheers,

Jud.

<A HREF="http://evans-experientialism.freewebspace.com/ ">http://evans-experientialism.freewebspace.com/</A> 
Jud Evans - ANALYTICAL INDICANT THEORY.
<A HREF="http://uncouplingthecopula.freewebspace.com">http://uncouplingthecopula.freewebspace.com







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In a message dated 01/05/2003 19:09:18 GMT Daylight Time, rparkany-AT-borg.com writes:


Subj:Re: God inside me
Date:01/05/2003 19:09:18 GMT Daylight Time
From:    rparkany-AT-borg.com (Rick Parkany)
Sender:    owner-heidegger-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu
Reply-to: heidegger-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu
To:    heidegger-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu




And foidaMore (invoking Bugs Bunny)...

...*commanding obedience among the flocks* is more a characterisitic of
typically heirarchic and paternalistic human cultural systems than it is
endemic to the religious. And who sez they *behave themselves*?
(*behave*? this IS a philosophic discussion list, or am I wrong?)


Jud:  
You believe that the media coverage of handcuffed priests and empty churches are "urban legends?"

 rparkany
his
whole line of reasoning is based, at best, upon urban (or rather global)
legends, having just so much fact involved as to whet the appetite of the
more biggotred among us.
http://www.ulrc.com.au/HTML/Frequently_Asked_Questions.ASP


Jud:
Here is the search result for "priests" on your Urban Legends link:
You Searched For:
Search Term(s): priests
Search Archive: Urban Legends
Search Operation: All
No matches found!

Are you claiming the that imams and rabbis are NOT behaving themselves then?

rparkany:
Research has shown that pederasty, child abuse, and/or petty theft is no
more pronounced among religious cults than it is in the general
population...

Jud:
The people being arrested are not cult members, they are Christian priests - the cult leaders.



rparkany:
there are as many deviates *per capita* this list as there
are looking back at you from the pulpit. There are just as many
institutional enablers in the secular world as there are in the cults.



Jud:
How do you know this?

rparkany:

Heidegger was often faulted by received wisdom for having been dabling in
cultural  anthroplogy rather than philosophy in his time.


Jud:
To my knowledge only Husserl accused him of this "error?"  Who else made this criticism?
Are you suggesting that Husserl was: a one man "received wisdom." Or were there others?
Either way, who were the recipients of this received wisdom?

rparkany:
I'd say a few
of you this list need a visit to Marvin Harris' bibliographic reference
set or enable your better analytics of the ontical by enrolling in
Anthro101...or keep to the point and don't embarrass yourselves your
*knowledgeNetwork* slips and other dirty underwear are
showing--straighten up!    ;-} rap.



Jud:
First you conclude, [with the aid of your anthropo-statistical crystal ball]  that some of us on this list are sexual deviates, then you suggest
we start studying anthropology. You're sounding a bit prescriptive and patriarchal - almost as if commanding obedience is some kind of turn on for you?
I thought that the discussion touched on the "authentic," and Anthony brought in Levinas on the subject concerning lies and lying.
Does not the "authentic" apply to priests too - particularly as their "behaviour" has almost wrecked the Christian church, or do you want the word "p******" to be expunged and treated like the word "N****" , and not mentioned in our polite cyber-company? ;-)  What do you think Heidegger as an ex-scholar  who studied under Jesuit priests, and later [after the war]=20claimed he was a "theologian" would  have to say in relation to "authenticity," now that the main church of western christendom has been brought to its knees by priestly misbehaviour?
Are you maintaining that such a dramatic turn of events, which has led to  the mighty church of Rome, which kept alive the glory of the Greek genius throughout the dark ages, being reduced to this embarrassment is not a fit subject of discussion.
It is particularly interesting when it is mirrored by the resurgence of=20the rival religion of Islam?  You think that this is an anthropological question?


Cheers,

Jud.

http://evans-experientialism.freewebspace.com/
Jud Evans - ANALYTICAL INDICANT THEORY.
http://uncouplingthecopula.freewebspace.com







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