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From: GEVANS613-AT-aol.com
Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 17:59:27 EDT
Subject: Re: The Problem of NOT Being Zarathustra



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In a message dated 02/05/2003 22:08:58 GMT Daylight Time, 
michael-AT-sandwich-de-sign.co.uk writes:


> Subj:Re: The Problem of NOT Being Zarathustra
> Date:02/05/2003 22:08:58 GMT Daylight Time
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> 
> 
> Allen asked in connection with the gift of thinking:
> 
> > How do you give it to someone who doesn't get it, 
> > indeed who can't get it until they think the overcoming which what 
> > you are giving gives them?
> 
> > 
> > Allen (trying to find his way back to that path marked only by goat turds
> > which leads back UP the mountain))
> 
> Allen, not sure it's appropriate, but this rings a bell with my 
> unsuccessful attempt at employment of the given (by Jud) metaphor of the 
> appearance of the monolith in '2001' that announced the inception of the 
> human (from and through the ape): whether the ape-being had to be human in 
> order to receive the gift as the gift it is, and take on the 
> 'responsibility' it demands; perhaps some are forever 'apes' in this sense, 
> even as they are human apes (who speak humanly about being apes and nothing 
> else). Myself, I feel something for radical discontinuity, and, that a good 
> teacher can and perhaps must, bring on the conditions for such -- anamnesis 
> -- (not just in the student but in themselves), invite the monolith and 
> dance to the extravagant Straussian Blue Danube Waltz till the Hegelian 
> cows come home with the Star Child floating back to earth, and back up that 
> turd-ridden mountain over and over again (on each occasion that crops up); 
> the mountain is never wholly conquered, the attempt to scale and the 
> humility to admit failure and suffer that peculiar discomfort, is merely 
> the business of being philosophically human.
> 
> Keep climbing
> 
> michaelP
> 
> Jud:
> Nicely written, I loved the:"till the Hegelian cows come home with the Star 
> Child floating back to earth," but it doesn't address Allen's problem of 
> not understanding the problem of people who understand, but reject what he 
> believes, which he believes to be their problem in not understanding, 
> rather than his problem and/or rather the problem of that in which he 
> believes in  - being understandable but unbelievable.


Cheers,

Jud.

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Jud Evans - ANALYTICAL INDICANT THEORY.
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In a message dated 02/05/2003 22:08:58 GMT Daylight Time, michael-AT-sandwich-de-sign.co.uk writes:


Subj:Re: The Problem of=20NOT Being Zarathustra
Date:02/05/2003 22:08:58 GMT Daylight Time
From:    michael-AT-sandwich-de-sign.co.uk (michaelP)
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Allen asked in connection with the gift of thinking:

> How do you give it to someone who doesn't get it,
> indeed who can't get it until they think the overcoming which what
> you are giving gives them?

>
> Allen (trying to find his way back to that path marked only by goat turds
> which leads back UP the mountain))

Allen, not sure it's appropriate, but this rings a bell with my unsuccessful attempt at employment of the given (by Jud) metaphor of the appearance=20of the monolith in '2001' that announced the inception of the human (from and through the ape): whether the ape-being had to be human in order to receive the gift as the gift it is, and take on the 'responsibility' it demands; perhaps some are forever 'apes' in this sense, even as they are human apes (who speak humanly about being apes and nothing else). Myself, I feel something for radical discontinuity, and, that a good teacher can and perhaps must,=20bring on the conditions for such -- anamnesis -- (not just in the student but in themselves), invite the monolith and dance to the extravagant Straussian Blue Danube Waltz till the Hegelian cows come home with the Star Child floating back to earth, and back up that turd-ridden mountain over and over again (on each occasion that crops up); the mountain is never wholly conquered, the attempt to scale and the humility to admit failure and suffer that peculiar discomfort, is merely the business of being philosophically human.

Keep climbing

michaelP


Jud:
Nicely written, I loved the:"till the
Hegelian cows come home with the Star Child floating back to earth," but it doesn't address Allen's problem of not understanding the problem of people who understand, but reject what he believes, which he believes to be their problem in not understanding, rather than his problem and/or rather the problem of that in which he believes in  - being understandable but unbelievable.



Cheers,

Jud.

http://evans-experientialism.freewebspace.com/
Jud Evans - ANALYTICAL INDICANT THEORY.
http://uncouplingthecopula.freewebspace.com
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