Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 20:48:30 +0100 (BST)
From: =?iso-8859-1?q?schizoreno=20little?= <schizoanalysishere-AT-yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: Re: read da book


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who can prove the Church caused antisemitism. Israel Shahak the Jewish historian has written some books showing thatt the Jews were also responsible for persecution and exclusionary behaviours. And in case yer about to label him an antisemite he is a survivor of Belsen and widely respected historian and scientist.

Anthony Crifasi <crifasi-AT-hotmail.com> wrote:Henk van Tuijl wrote:

> > I am not apologizing for the Christian Church as the
> > social matrix of anti-Semitism. I am disputing Carroll's conclusion that
>(1)
> > this is at the very "core" of Christianity up to now, and (2) his
>conclusion
> > that this cannot be overcome by anything short of a full renunciation of
>the
> > cross and Christ as messiah. That is why I cited what I cited above.
>
>Hmm, I see what you mean. The Church is at the very
>"core" not anti-Semitic ...
>
>The few - recent - texts you refer to prove it -
>they are a fact.
>Almost twenty centuries of anti-Semitism in
>practice are history - and no longer facts?

The fact I was disputing was not twenty centuries of anti-Semitism. The 
"fact" I was disputing was specifically your assertion (not fact) that 
"Christianity is unable to transcend anti-Semitism." So I cited several 
examples of Christianity transcending anti-Semitism, as well as Jewish 
reaction, both of which throw Carroll's conclusion concerning the "core" of 
Christianity completely into question.

Anthony Crifasi

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Henk van Tuijl wrote:

> > I am not apologizing for the Christian Church as the
> > social matrix of anti-Semitism. I am disputing Carroll's conclusion that
>(1)
> > this is at the very "core" of Christianity up to now, and (2) his
>conclusion
> > that this cannot be overcome by anything short of a full renunciation of
>the
> > cross and Christ as messiah. That is why I cited what I cited above.
>
>Hmm, I see what you mean. The Church is at the very
>"core" not anti-Semitic ...
>
>The few - recent - texts you refer to prove it -
>they are a fact.
>Almost twenty centuries of anti-Semitism in
>practice are history - and no longer facts?

The fact I was disputing was not twenty centuries of anti-Semitism. The
"fact" I was disputing was specifically your assertion (not fact) that
"Christianity is unable to transcend anti-Semitism." So I cited several
examples of Christianity transcending anti-Semitism, as well as Jewish
reaction, both of which throw Carroll's conclusion concerning the "core" of
Christianity completely into question.

Anthony Crifasi

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