From: GEVANS613-AT-aol.com Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 18:15:57 EDT Subject: MELANIE MONSVENERIS & DR. WUENSCH This is my second attempt at sending this piece. Subject: DR. WUENSCH From: Jud Sent: 6/15/2003 DR. WUENSCH'S FLAT - LATE AFTERNOON >From the garden below we hear sounds of music and laughter. It is an expensive apartment which definitely possesses an air of sophistication and a refined academic ambience. A woman, MELANIE MONSVENERIS, just past the first blush of youth, is standing looking out of the window at some people dancing on the lawn below. There is a piano on the paved patio. It is a small, salmon-coloured instrument on wheels. There is a Negro, SAM, on the stool, playing. About him there is a hum of voices, chatter and laughter. DR. WUENSCH: "You've been standing there for at least half an hour already Melanie - what on earth are you looking at?" MELANIE MONSVENERIS: "I'm watching the dancing down on the lawn next door." DR. WUENSCH: "Who's doing the dancing?" MELANIE MONSVENERIS: "The neighbours from next door and another couple." DR. WUENSCH: Who's the other couple?" MELANIE MONSVENERIS: "Dunno, I've not seen them before - guests of the Smith's I guess." DR. WUENSCH: "I can hear some rather nice piano music." MELANIE MONSVENERIS: "They've got a black pianist dressed in a white jacket, red velvet bow-tie - the whole works." DR. WUENSCH: "No trousers?" [adopting a phony Humphrey Bogart accent] "Play it again Sam! Jes' one more for my Dasein - an' one more for the road." MELANIE MONSVENERIS: [Laughs] Yes, Of course - don't be silly. DR. WUENSCH: [spoiling the mood with the introduction of an academic discussion.] "Do you truly believe that you are really watching the dancing? I mean do you believe that there is such a thing that actually exists called 'dancing'?" MELANIE MONSVENERIS: [sighing] Well I suppose in the sense that what we call "dancing" is the combined activity of Bill and Joan Smith and their two guests something called "dancing" might be said to exist? I guess that 'dancing' only "exists" inasmuch as it's the present existential activity of the four people down there on the lawn while we are stuck up here in this stuffy old flat bored out of our minds? When they finally stop dancing, the dancing as such will cease to exist, though the four dancers will continue to exist much as they were before they started to dance." DR. WUENSCH: [lighting a cheroot and puffing at it thoughtfully.] "Does that mean that you consider them to be different people when they are dancing and when they are not dancing?" MELANIE MONSVENERIS: "No, I just said: 'They will continue to exist much as they were before they started to dance.' Didn't you hear me? They are the same individuals whether they are dancing or not dancing - it's just that they are involved in another form of activity when they dance to when they stop for a rest." DR. WUENSCH: "What are they up to now?" MELANIE MONSVENERIS: "They are sitting on the grass laughing and talking, the pianist has left the piano and is sitting on the grass with them. They are drinking beer straight from the can and it's dribbling over their clothes as if they are not used to drinking it that way." DR. WUENSCH: "Has Sam put his trousers on yet? OK, I'm only joking. Does that mean then that you believe that something exists we could call: "sitting on the grass laughing and talking, drinking beer straight from the can and dribbling it over the clothes as if not used to drinking it that way?" MELANIE MONSVENERIS: [frowning] "No, no I don't - that just refers to a description of their behaviour as human beings." DR. WUENSCH: "Then why do you think that some people believe that 'dancing' exists?" MELANIE MONSVENERIS: "I don't know - who is it that believes that sort of thing?" DR. WUENSCH: "Certain people treat the words that we use to describe the actions of people - words that are called 'gerunds' or 'abstract nouns' as 'things' that actually exist." MELANIE MONSVENERIS: "Who are these 'certain people' then?" DR. WUENSCH: "Oh lots of people. Transcendentalists, existentialists, various religious types of people etc." MELANIE MONSVENERIS: Why on earth should they believe that?" DR. WUENSCH: "Why do you think that some people are prepared to believe that 'dancing' exists but not: ' "sitting on the grass laughing and talking, drinking beer straight from the can and dribbling it over the clothes as if not used to drinking it that way?" MELANIE MONSVENERIS: "Dunno. I suppose it makes them happy to think that way, otherwise they wouldn't think that way. After all it takes a certain amount of effort to think irrationally doesn't it?" That Heidegger guy - WOW! Talk about the existence of a split-personality syndrome - that hombre Heidegger clearly dreamed up Dasein as a gift for comedy-writers and beleaguered stand-up jokesters. He certainly prowled the outer-reaches of plausibility sowing the pathways of 'philosophy' with his transcendental twinkle-dust like a journeyman Germanic Johnny Appleseed, planting his existential ejaculate and gumming up the cracks in western thinking for decades. DR. WUENSCH: [patting the empty place beside him] "It doesn't seem to take much effort as far as they are concerned. Anyway close the curtains and come over here by the fire my dear." MELANIE MONSVENERIS: "Hahahah! So do those funny people believe that 'making fun of somebody, drawing the curtains and moving away from the window and sitting next to a horny old academic' exists too?" DR. WUENSCH: "Tush you little vixen. I was just making the point that although it's much easier to say: 'I'm watching the dancing,' rather than having to describe the actions of four people in detail. I suppose it's only natural that people who don't think very deeply are eventually convinced through constant repetition that it is the actions of people that actually exist rather than the people who are actually enacting the actions as modes of the way they live." Some series of complicated actions like: 'sitting on the grass laughing and talking, drinking beer straight from the can and dribbling it over the clothes as if not used to drinking it that way is too complex a concept to have a special gerund or abstract noun created to describe the natural processes of this involved behaviour. If a word had been developed to distinguish this existential modality of the foursome next door, then it is clear that the transcendentalists would fall over each other in the rush to label it as something that exists, like they do of 'dancing' and 'crying' and 'bird-nesting' and Being.' MELANIE MONSVENERIS: "There is nothing so queer as folk! Do you mean that the more complicated and the more differentiated human activity is the less chance it will be graced with an abstract noun or gerundialised or nominalised into a quasi-thing? I mean the actions involved in dancing are quite complicated after all - it's a series of quite elaborate coordinated movements?" DR. WUENSCH: [flicking the cheroot butt into the fire] Yes, but even though the movements are complicated and varied the performance is instantly recognizable as a certain easily identified form of human deportment which lends itself without question to a single word referential description of the precise mode of behaviour. The actions are stereotypical. On the other hand, what word could be coined to refer to describe the whole gamut of human behaviour of: 'sitting on the grass laughing and talking, drinking beer straight from the can and dribbling it over the clothes as if not used to drinking it that way?" MELANIE MONSVENERIS: "Well maybe you are right, but there is one word that those 'certain people' use to cover the range of human existential experience and behaviour from cradle to grave." DR. WUENSCH: [Knitting his brows] "What word is that?" MELANIE MONSVENERIS: [smiling] "Being." DR. WUENSCH: "Being what?" MELANIE MONSVENERIS: "Being alive I suppose?" DR. WUENSCH: "Aha! So now you can see that 'Being' is just another glorified version of a gerund that covers all of our earthy activities, states and modalities which we experience whilst we are alive." MELANIE MONSVENERIS: "What about Martin Heidegger's 'Dasein' then? DR. WUENSCH: "That's Heidegger's weirdo notion of 'presence' a gerund of the term: 'being there' which enables Heidegger to 'investigate' the fiction of 'Being' without the ontological inconvenience of addressing an actual flesh and blood human being." MELANIE MONSVENERIS: "Well that's a bit of an ontological cop-out isn't it? Even I can see right through that one. That must be the most misleading metaphysical methodology since Methodius was found in bed with his Thessalonian thurifer and claimed he was playing chariot-races under the bedclothes? And that from a comedian who claimed that metaphysics ended with Nietzsche?" DR. WUENSCH: "Yes you're right, and we can see now that he achieved exactly the opposite of what he sought to accomplish, for with the introduction of his notorious 'ontological difference' and the ontological outrage of 'Dasein' he actually breathed new wind into the sails of metaphysics and set western philosophy back over fifty years. MELANIE MONSVENERIS: "But any fool can see that there is no difference between the dancing and the antics on the grass next door and that they are merely the activities of the foursome [five if you count the be-trousered pianist] whilst they are being there in the garden. There is no way that there is any ontological difference between their physical presence in the garden and what they are doing there whilst they are there?" : [filling up Melanie's glass to the brim] "Exactly, but at least the subject has helped us while away and brighten up an otherwise rather boring afternoon and provided us with a few laughs along the way. Now come on my dear drink your drink. We haven't got a lot of time before the cook shows up to start the evening meal, and I have so very much been looking forward to spending some private quality time with you. MELANIE MONSVENERIS: "Sorry old bean, but I'll have to leave you now. It's been lovely being here talking about being here, but Lawrence has invited me to 'The Panting Peasant' for dinner and drinks, and I rather fancy being there being there, than being there being here." Pip Pip! Jud. <A HREF="http://evans-experientialism.freewebspace.com/ ">http://evans-experientialism.freewebspace.com/</A> Jud Evans - ANALYTICAL INDICANT THEORY. <A HREF="http://uncouplingthecopula.freewebspace.com">http://uncouplingthecopula.freewebspace.com</A> --- StripMime Warning -- MIME attachments removed --- This message may have contained attachments which were removed. Sorry, we do not allow attachments on this list. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- --- from list heidegger-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu --- --- from list heidegger-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu ---
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