From: amscult-AT-drake.edu
Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 15:06:40 -0500
Subject: Re: Heidegger -- distance


Quoting GEVANS613-AT-aol.com:

> Subj: Re: Gadamer and Heidegger -- distance Date: 16/07/2003 09:02:48 GMT 
> Daylight Time From: hvtuijl-AT-xs4all.nl (Henk van Tuijl
> 
> Heidegger -- distance
> 
> Impatience with the "other" for not seeing what one sees so clearly is an 
> occupational hazard for the "hermeneutical phenomenologist"--a conceit that
> one 
> not only sees clearly, but sees clearly in the words one gives to the other
> to 
> see the same. One can either think oneself to be not as "good" as one almost
> 
> knows one is, or blame the "not getting it" on the inferior capacities of the
> 
> other.
> 
> As if a formal indication could make someone see something clearly and 
> distinctly - as if "getting it" were a value and not a way of valuing ...
> 
> Gadamer's case seems to imply that there is no congruence between what the 
> young Heidegger teached (formal indication) and what he expected of his
> students 
> (clare et distincte perceptum).
> 
> Henk
 
Hi Henk,and Judd,

You(Henk)seem to have soured on the old man a bit!  I think the formal 
indication is most significantly a teaching device.  The sharp students learn 
to "read off it" something like the teacher read off the phenomenon in the 
first place to say the indication the way he did.  I think the mistake students 
make is looking too hard for the "content" of Heidegger's indication, whereas 
the formal indication is not content specific. It works somewhat like certain 
works of art which are self- reflectively form conscious, trying to get the 
form to "speak for itself."

 > You are all right in my view. There is a tendency in all of us to blame the 
> non-understanding of the other, and even the plain disagreement and rejection
> 
> by another with our ideas - as a cognitive lack on their part. There is often
> 
> an insistent hermeneutical urging for the other to: 'Read the text more
> closely,
> ' or to: 'Forget your own preconceptions and prejudices for a change, and 
> accept what the writer is saying as a way into his mind and philosophical 
> message.' 

Or, see your own preconception and prejeudices for the what they are, as if for 
the first time, by taking on the otherness of what the other is saying.  This 
is Gadamer, rather than Heidegger, of course.

Allen (taking on)


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