From: "John Foster" <borealis-AT-mercuryspeed.com>
Subject: Paradoxical Intention in Jud Lands, was Re: Heidegger and science (and Jud) 
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 09:06:41 -0700


Is or is not ontology a science?

Thus science means to know:

atheism means 'not to know'

agnostic means 'I don't know'

ontologist means 'I know being'

and beings can be known

however 'learned ignorance' what does this mean?

Was this a device suggested by Nicholas of Cusa to attain knowledge of the
self, and the source of the self?

We don't know becauses it is phrase taken out of context....and we can only
speculate. Theology is a speculative ontology or science of being (Heidegger
knew this. I was convinced), thus speculative ontology is a very large field
of human consciousness, which definately is as remote and far away from
'born again' emotional controllers, mind stealers, as possible.

I guess there is a 'paradox' in knowing. Is this paradox also 'intentional'
in that knowing reduces that which is even less apparent, even more hidden.
I agree. Thus the phrase 'learned ignorance' suggests a 'paradoxical
intention' (see Logotherapists) in any endeavour.

In the 'speech crafters' lessons, it is suggested that the speaker attempt
to 'control' their nervousness in speaking in public. To do that the most
easily (some people are deathly afraid of speaking in public), it suggested
that the speaker simply meet with a small group and start to practice in an
informal setting. However they are still nervous, and the first time that
they overcome their nervousness they have to learn ignorance, or use
'paradoxical intention'...

It works by relaxing the expectation of the learner in attempting to carry
out their wish. Nervous, shy people are actually people who are incapable of
asking most for what they desire the most, hence their shyness.  They have
learned to be shy because this is a learned way of obtaining what they
wanted the most...especially when they were children. They were afraid of
being 'denied' what they wanted the most, so they facilitated a type of
behaviour to avoid all negative reactions in others, even themselves.

The way the paradox works is this. The speaker imagines themselves looking
terrible, doing poorly and basically very nervous. They consciously make
themselves scratch and fidget and blink. This gives the 'active control'
over the autonomic motor responses associated with fear. They make
themselves look nervous and fearful. Then they make themselves stutter a
little bit and humm and haw between sentences.

Although they appear nervous and forgetful, the actually enjoy the control
over their fear, they actually are able to get their message out:

"Er I aa  am JUD, I hate Heideggerians nd all the erders, aer and and fidget
and fart....I aaaare from JUD LAND which is not an iiimmagginneray land
aaaa at. Hummmmm I spend my freeee time hurling a busse at all types of
existentialist philosophers cus I practice 'paradoxical intentions' and used
phrase like 'minimize the singularity' of  this or that....which makes me
appear smart, but not erudite ...."

For instance how to you 'minimize' that which is already minimal such as
'singularity'? Is there something more minimal than a 'singularity'?

Really now

john







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From: "Bakker, R.B.M. de" <R.B.M.deBakker-AT-uva.nl>
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Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 7:57 AM
Subject: RE: Heidegger and science (and Jud)


> So it is not Heidegger, who destroys all science, it is Jud,
> who sofar violated the standards of text criticism - today
> Heidegger, tomorrow...- , who is busy (like a pope) to destroy
> quantum physics, soon to be followed by classic physics,
> because also that is sthing very different from what he
> thinks it is, a quite ...  unnatural way of looking at things,
> in fact, that is now a collection of commonplaces, but really
> has philosophical origins.
>
> But thus, ex negativo, is getting clearer, that the real friend
> of science (and of us, Americans) might very well be the suspect
> Heidegger.
>
>
> And maybe i might add, that my "war on widerwille" already begins to
> pay off.
>
>
> rene
>
>
>
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