From: GEVANS613-AT-aol.com
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 14:16:00 EDT
Subject: Re: Jud Land, was Heidegger the Physicist - The Sun Revolves Round the Earth?


In a message dated 16/09/2003 16:43:33 GMT Daylight Time, 
borealis-AT-mercuryspeed.com writes:


> Subj:Jud Land, was Heidegger the Physicist - The Sun Revolves Round the 
> Earth?
> Date:16/09/2003 16:43:33 GMT Daylight Time
> From:    borealis-AT-mercuryspeed.com (John Foster)
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> JUD:
> The paper originally called 'Enframing' was given in 1949. 
> J-F Lyotard (Heidegger and "the jews", Minnesota 1990, p85) takes a 
> quotation 
> from the original paper, citing Schirmacher, Technik und Gelassenheit: 
> Zeitkritik nach Heidegger, Freiburg, 1984, p25, Victor Farias gives the same 
> reference, 
> in fact Lyotard might have taken it straight from Farias)
> 
> Heidegger:
> 'Agriculture is now a mechanised food industry; in essence it is no 
> different 
> than the production of corpses in the gas chambers and death camps, the 
> embargoes and food reductions to starving countries, the making of hydrogen 
> bombs'. 
> 
> John: 
> Actually it is worse...hydrogen bombs kill quickly in most cases (excepting 
> the radioisotopes). In the US there are these chicken hotels, with batteries 
> of chickens. The beaks are cut off so the chickens cannot peck one another. 
> The chickens are fed the manure from cattle feed lots where the cattle were 
> fed grains. The chickens eat the undigested grain. They cannot move anywhere 
> because they live in metal cages which are less then 1 foot by 1 foot wide. 
> This is a fact (see "Agricide")


Jud:
I agree with all you say without exception. For your information John I am 
one of the early members of 'Compassion in World Farming'  also a member of 
Greenpeace'.  As I look through the window at my car in the drive I can see the 
CWF stickers in all the windows [other than the windscreen.]  I collect for that 
charity at local Agricultural Fairs [not a particularly sympathetic venue for 
Animal Righters like me.

> 
> John:

If it was not for philosophers like Heidegger, Germany would now not have 
laws preventing this kind of practice in it's country. As far as I know Germany 
is one 
> of the leading countries practicing humanitarian animal laws. Unlike the UK 
> which still practices fox hunting by jodphur wearing doffs. 
> 
> Terror is terror, and the worst terror is in found in the fox hunt in Jud 
> Land. There is no ecological purpose for fox hunting. It is hard on the horses

Jud:
Our Parliamentary decision has been made to ban the 'sport' and the wishes of 
the British people have been made plain.  It is only the archaic institution 
of the House of Lords [which I have often lampooned 
> in various pieces] which is delaying the complete ban.  As a matter of fact 
> if the Lords reject it this time it will be forced through by the elected 
> house.

The Reverend Phoney Blair is [like Bush] on the run now and he will seize on 
such a popularist act and see it goes through.

> 
> Incidentally, the comparison with the holocaust and the measures against 
> East 
> Germans in the immediate post-war is one that Heidegger also made in 
> correspondence with H Marcuse, to minimise the singularity of the holocaust, 
> reproduced in the back of vol1 of his collected papers, Technology, War and 
> Fascism, 
> Routledge, 1998. 
> 
> John:

> I like that phrase "minimizing the singularity" which is a classic 
> understatement. I use the term holocaust all the time to describe similar events such 
> as the 'biocaust' occurring in Jud Land where Jud lives.
> 
> So what does the phrase 'minimizing the singularity' of the act mean?

Jud:
Attempting [like Rene does] to divert attention from the enormity of the Nazi 
atrocities by drawing attention to other wicked acts [the Dresden Raids for 
example]  It is interesting and instructive  that Rene and Heidegger use the 
same ploy.

> 
> John:
> I would also like to know what is essentially the 'argument' which Jud is 
> making against Heidegger. For example is it that he was a member of the Nazi? 
> party? If so, then it would appear that all Germans, especially all youths 
> were also Nazi's. (All German youth were inducted into Hitler Youth). And what 
> Recktor of any German University would not have been required to be a member 
> of the Nazi Party? It was interesting too that Heidegger soon resigned his 
> role as Recktor.

Jud:
Heidegger was sympathetic to nazism long before he volunteered and joined. 
Yes, OK he was an opportunist, but remember he was the official Nazi candidate 
for the post of Rektor.  German youth had no option - Heidegger did and 
couldn't wait to be photographed with his Nazi badge in a Hitler-like pose quick 
enough.  He was an enthusiastic evangelist for the Nazi cause even organising 
work-brigades and Nazi 'education# meetings in his Hutte.

> 
> John:

What Jud is alleging almost is that Heidegger participated actively in the 
extermination of German Jews. Of course that is precisely what he cannot prove, 
so 
> his rages have no more depth nor content than a blade of grass after a 
> drought. 

Jud:
I am glad that you didn't accuse me of alleging that H  participated actively 
in the extermination of German Jews, for that would have been an outright lie 
verging on slander. How can one 'almost' allege something - one either 
alleges or does not allege?  I REPEAT  - By associating himself  as a professor in 
the high position of  University-Fuhrer with an organisation which had as its 
MAIN programme the ridding of Jewry from Germany,  Heidegger lent 
respectability and misbegotten authority to the Nazis.
Hitler had already published his intention to hang Jews from lamposts in the 
early twenties [from memory] I posted the text of  these threats by Hitler  
[which Heidegger MUST have been aware of] a few years ago on this list, but I've 
lost the text now. Michael tends to keep messages in his own archive, maybe 
he can find the document.  On the other hand  he might sieze on this 
possibility  to announce that he bins all mine ;-) 

I have a hunch that Heidegger was forced to resign his Rectoral post,  most 
probably because the Gestapo had found out about his relationship with Arendt, 
this might help explain Arendt's extraordinary descision to renew their 
relationship after the war. Maybe in her mind she rationalised his dismissal as some 
kind of  romantic sacrifice that he had made on her behalf?  Perhaps when the 
full archive is made available the facts of his relinguishment of the 
Rektorship will emerge?

John:
> Even the 'ad hominem' arguments he uses against Heidegger are very 
> interesting. Simply quoting what he thinks is 'unacceptable' to him, but may actually 
> be appropriate and fitting to others (eg. agriculture production being 
> compared that way is exactly why the the WTO was meeting in Cancun recently, and 
> where a Korean youth killed himself in protest of the rich countries with the 
> tremendous national subsidies and import tarrifs.)


Jud:
What has Cancun to do with Heidegger's Nazi Party's Concentration Camps and 
Heidegger's reference to them in such a thoughtless way, which was calculated 
to hurt and cause offense  the families of survivors?

> 
> John:

It's almost as if Jud is living on a different planet, Jud Land, some where 
in the imaginary hatelands of one man.

> 
> Jud:
> The only 'hate-land'  I personally experience in my life is the hate-land'  
> peopled by SOME members of this list when I open my mailbox.

  Does the constant bile and vituperation  affect me? Not at all - its par 
for the course in the mad world of transcendentalism.  ;-)


Cheers,

Jud.

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