From: GEVANS613-AT-aol.com
Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 05:43:18 EDT
Subject: Re: Rilke and Americanism


In a message dated 26/09/2003 08:21:25 GMT Daylight Time, 
calypso_1001_2000-AT-yahoo.co.uk writes:


> Subj:Re: Rilke and Americanism
> Date:26/09/2003 08:21:25 GMT Daylight Time
> From:    calypso_1001_2000-AT-yahoo.co.uk (Calypso)
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> 
> 
> 
> Jud wrote:
> >> Jud:
> >> 
> >>> Rene:
> >>> (btw Heidegger's piece on Rilke is from 1946)
> >>> 
> >> Jud:
> >>> I was reading Rilke in Praha when you were still
> in
> >> short pants.
> 
> Calypso: 
> >> Surely the reading itself is what matters here not
> >> chronologically or geographically when Jud cast his
> >> (blind?) eyes upon the stuff. What did Jud get from
> >> this? We only divine that he is old (but not
> >> necessarily better at reading Rilke or whoever).
> > 
> > Jud:
> > Don't be a supercilious little moron - You know
> F---- All about my reading of 
> > Rilke or anybody else.
> > Go stuff yourself with a rolled-up copy of your
> Bible Being and Time. Judging 
> > by the literary and philosophical quality of your
> stuff you are just about 
> > emerging from the Mickey Mouse stage.
> > If you are the young student that you appear to be
> from your writings you 
> > need to go and wash your mouth out with carbolic
> soap.
> 
> ----------------------------------------------------
> OK big man, put your teeth back and keep your wig on
> [grins]. Rene's exposition on Rilke in Heidegger's The
> Origin of the Work of Art in that kaleidoscopic way
> that Rene travels was getting interesting. The rude
> interruption that you persistently manage (in order in
> this case to rather, in a somewhat puerile manner,
> shout out your superior age) just spoilt it for me.
> And we do not have your 'superior' reading of Rilke's
> Duino Elegies or his Sonnets to Orpheus (as you so
> politely put it yourself) to compare with Rene's
> European trip. And in your cool putting me in my place
> you might at least have referred to me as being at the
> Minnie Mouse stage [smiles through teeth]. In the
> roaring silence of your reading of Rilke I cannot but
> avidly await Rene's next post on the subject of
> poeisis during destitute times.
> 
> Jud:
As usual  you missed the point, which was Rene's claim that the repentant and 
remorseful
Philosopher of Nazism Heidegger was apologising [with the metaphorical 
assistance of the local church bells] for the victims of the holocaust who were 
'sacrificed' by his pals in the death camps, [to whom we are not told - to Hitler? 
 To the Germanic Gods of the forests?]  Then in the typical fashion of all 
Heideggerians, [like you are doing now for example, with your references to my 
hair and teeth,]  he attempts to move the focus away from the Nazi crimes, and 
drags in Hoelderlin and Rilke and Uncle Tom Cobley and all, thereby soiling 
them with the same spores of apologetic fungus.
My reference to my Czech study visits to old Rilke, Husserl and Kafka haunts 
was an impatient signal that I wasn't impressed with this manoeuvre. 
I do not think there is anything superior about being old, nor do I think 
there is anything blue-ribbon about being young.
I have every one of my teeth and have a full head of hair.  Now you  tell us 
about YOUR personal appearance.
I imagine you to be fat with terribly neglected, blotchy skin and bad breath, 
puffy bags beneath your eyes and a permanent bad hair day. 
You could be a raving beauty with sweet breath and a sylph-like figure for 
all I care - I go by your intelligence, which from what little you have posted, 
[plus your complete misreading of the motive for the Rilke interjection,] to 
the list doesn't seem to amount to much at all?  Of course, you can soon remedy 
this by posting your own impressions of Rilke and I can judge for myself.
Now having said that,  do you think it the right thing to do to initiate 
flame-wars on the web concerning the imagined personal appearance of  another 
member?

Jud.

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