Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 12:36:47 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Calypso?= <calypso_1001_2000-AT-yahoo.co.uk> Subject: Re: Rilke and Americanism Jud wrote: > Then in the typical fashion of all > Heideggerians, ... he [Rene] attempts to move the focus away from the Nazi crimes, and > drags in Hoelderlin and Rilke and Uncle Tom Cobley and all, thereby soiling > them with the same spores of apologetic fungus. ----------------------------------------------------- In Heidegger's What Are Poets For, he speaks of and reads the poesy of both Hoelderlin and Rilke in terms of the destitution wreaked upon the world by humanity becoming the unconditional subject, subjecting the world to the status of a calculable object in the service of technics, etc (sorry this is crude). Heidegger takes the hint from Hoelderlin but concentrates his efforts in focussing upon some of the work of Rilke. The point I am clumsily trying to make is that I can read no "soiling them with the same spores of apologetic fungus" in this paper/lecture (did Jud mean that Rene spoilt, etc, or Heidegger?); although Heidegger judges Rilke to be less a poet than Hoelderlin he nonetheless sees and shows Rilke to be responding to the same call that Hoelderlin recognises in his line "...and what are poets for in a destitute time?" in 'Bread and Wine'. Now this paper (published, I think in 1950) and published in English translation in the collection 'Poetry, Language, Thought' is still available in paperback. Given the recent clamour (Anthony Crifasi and Michael P at least) for Jud to show how Heidegger's thinking relates to his so-called Nazism through a discussion of the philosophical texts of Heidegger, would not this paper be a good case in point, given the focus it has received of late? Assuming enough people have this paper, of course. In the process, Jud should have an opportunity to demonstrate Heidegger's Nazism in situ and his bespoiling Rilke and Hoeldelin too in the same breath. I must say I would love to sit back and watch this demonstration. Reading the paper quickly today, I would have thought that Heidegger's tone if not anti-technology is certainly not and far from the indiscriminate celebration typical of the supporters of fascism, communism and capitalism. But if Jud can show otherwise... cheers Calypso ===="men are something that must be overcome" [apo-calypso] ________________________________________________________________________ Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger http://mail.messenger.yahoo.co.uk --- from list heidegger-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu ---
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