File spoon-archives/heidegger.archive/heidegger_2003/heidegger.0309, message 407


Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 12:36:47 +0100 (BST)
From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Calypso?= <calypso_1001_2000-AT-yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Rilke and Americanism


Jud wrote:

> Then in the typical fashion of all 
> Heideggerians, ...  he [Rene] attempts to move the
focus away from the Nazi crimes, and 
> drags in Hoelderlin and Rilke and Uncle Tom Cobley
and all, thereby soiling 
> them with the same spores of apologetic fungus.

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In Heidegger's What Are Poets For, he speaks of and
reads the poesy of both Hoelderlin and Rilke in terms
of the destitution wreaked upon the world by humanity
becoming the unconditional subject, subjecting the
world to the status of a calculable object in the
service of technics, etc (sorry this is crude).
Heidegger takes the hint from Hoelderlin but
concentrates his efforts in focussing upon some of the
work of Rilke. The point I am clumsily trying to make
is that I can read no "soiling them with the same
spores of apologetic fungus" in this paper/lecture
(did Jud mean that Rene spoilt, etc, or Heidegger?);
although Heidegger judges Rilke to be less a poet than
Hoelderlin he nonetheless sees and shows Rilke to be
responding to the same call that Hoelderlin recognises
in his line "...and what are poets for in a destitute
time?" in 'Bread and Wine'. Now this paper (published,
I think in 1950) and published in English translation
in the collection 'Poetry, Language, Thought' is still
available in paperback. Given the recent clamour
(Anthony Crifasi and Michael P at least) for Jud to
show how Heidegger's thinking relates to his so-called
Nazism through a discussion of the philosophical texts
of Heidegger, would not this paper be a good case in
point, given the focus it has received of late?
Assuming enough people have this paper, of course. In
the process, Jud should have an opportunity to
demonstrate Heidegger's Nazism in situ and his
bespoiling Rilke and Hoeldelin too in the same breath.
I must say I would love to sit back and watch this
demonstration. Reading the paper quickly today, I
would have thought that Heidegger's tone if not
anti-technology is certainly not and far from the
indiscriminate celebration typical of the supporters
of fascism, communism and capitalism. But if Jud can
show otherwise...

cheers

Calypso



===="men are something that must be overcome" [apo-calypso]

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