From: "Stuart Elden" <stuartelden-AT-btconnect.com>
Subject: RE: A Taster
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 07:19:35 +0100


Can you be a bit more careful please? Some of the things you attribute to me were Rene's words.

This, for example

> That would be interesting. Of course, when we deal with a 
> philosopher whose 
> claim it is that his own thinking is not metaphysical anymore,
> 
> 
> 
> Jud: 
> 
> Yes, I'd heard claim before - that Heidegger's Transcendentalist 
> Tutu Twirl 
> signalled the end of metaphysics, if not the end of the search 
> for wisdom - if 
> not the end of the world itself? Is Heidegger then the Francis 
> Fukuyama of 
> metaphysics? :-)
> 

and this (before Michael E's response joins in)

> Stuart [no, Rene]:
> 
> we would be on false paths when we expect of him an 
> ethics/politics *based 
> on* an ontology. The word "fundamental ontology" is ambigious in 
> this respect, 
> reason for Heidegger to drop it, from 1930 on. An ethics/politeia 
> *based on* 
> ontology, that's originally Plato, the way metaphysics 
> dis-tinguishes .... 
> (what?, in what dimension?) So, if the *based on*,ground, is not 
> thought through - 
> Vom Wesen des Grundes/the essence of ground (1929) -, one does not escape 
> metaphysics.
> 
> 
> 
> The Dark Stranger strums: 
> 
> Who's talking about an ethics or politics "based on" a "fundamental 
> ontology"? I've been hearing these kinds of excuses for why 
> Heidegger ignored certain 
> phenomena for around fifteen years. The line always goes: "But that's 
> metaphysics -- Heidegger is beyond metaphysics." This is 
> apologetic obfuscation that 
> serves only to immunize Heidegger against any sort of critique, 
> i. e. further 
> questioning. It's insufferable, stodgy conservatism. Instead, his 
> blind spots 
> have to be brought into the open, whilst not forgetting "that now 
> beings _are_ 
> no longer, but that _beyng_ springs to ‘beings’." (GA65:248 
> Section 130) That 
> is a task _for us_ -- to unfold what this could mean.
> 
> 
> 
> Jud: [plectrum at the ready]
> 
> What a breath of fresh air! No Bide a while Heideggerians!  Stay 
> MichaelP and 
> Rene et al! Don't all rush at once to close the windows!
> 
> The Dark Stranger
> I have yet to see a skerrick of putting Heidegger's thinking into 
> question in 
> anything you say. I have yet to see a skerrick of a question at 
> all in what 
> you have to say.
> 
> Heidegger, at least, was always dissatisfied, was always 
> questioning himself. 
> That did not prevent him, however, from being blind to certain phenomena.
> 
> Jud: 
> 'Skerrick' - LOVE IT! Reminds me when I went into a bar in Alice 
> Springs and 
> asked for a 'Skerrick of Jamesons' they threw me out on my arse 
> and called me 
> a Pommy Bastard.  I ended up pisse d on a park bench with a load 
> of Aboes. ;-) 
> I've still got the Kangeroo-scrotum purse in a draw somewhere - 
> it brings it 
> all back.
> Seriously though, it's nice to see a bit of commonsense spoken 
> for a change, 
> even though there's an existentialist inch-worm in the marigolds.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Jud.
> 
> 
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