Subject: RE: Heidegger's 3
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 01:27:05 +0200
From: "Bakker, R.B.M. de" <R.B.M.deBakker-AT-uva.nl>


 

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	Van: owner-heidegger-AT-lists.village.Virginia.EDU namens Michael Eldred 
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	Onderwerp: Re: Heidegger's 3
	
	

	Cologne 18-Oct-2003
	
	"Bakker, R.B.M. de" schrieb  Fri, 17 Oct 2003 18:17:40 +0200:
	
	> The Dutch pryminister said, that the new EU should be
	> founded upon jewish/christian principles.
	>
	> Heidegger wrote a letter to a young student, published
	> in one of the three Vortraege und Aufsaetze - an outsider
	> really. There is another one, to another young student,
	> where he answers a question about his philosophy and his
	> engagement to nazism.
	
	One of the young students was Hartmut Buchner, who later became the
	German editor of the Japanese Heidegger Gesamtausgabe. He has bequeathed
	his very substantial private library to the town of Messkirch for the
	Heidegger archives.
	The reverential relationship of the Japanese (mainly Kyoto school) to
	Heidegger is a topic in itself.
	Reverence makes people blind.
	   

	
	>
	> (I then think: he'll mean that only the young one has the
	> right to ask. So probably the other letter will be an
	> important one too. It is.)
	>
	> Der Fehl Gottes und des Goettlichen ist Abwesenheit.
	> The missing of God and of the Godly is absence.
	>
	> [remember the going under before the eyes of an absent God)
	>
	> Allein, Abwesenheit ist nicht nichts,
	>
	> Only, absence is not nothing,
	>
	> sondern sie ist die gerade erst anzueignende Anwesenheit
	> der verborgenen Fuelle des Gewesenen und so versammelt
	> Wesenden, des Goettlichen im Griechentum, im Prophetisch-
	> Juedischen, in der Predigt Jesu."
	>
	> but it [absence] is the presence - a presence, that is, which
	> first must be acquired (enowned) - of the burried/hidden
	> fullness of what-really-has-been (das Gewesene) and the thus
	> gathered really-being (das Wesende), of the Godly in the Greek,
	> in the Prophetically-Jewish, in the preaching of Jesus.
	>
	> or, because such English is nonsense:
	>
	> what we call the past, is what determines us, the more so
	> when we forget it. But if we drop the historical as the
	> superficial, the no-longer-being-of-it leaves an emptiness,
	> in which CAN be felt an absence. What should also be
	> included is that it concerns a unity of the 3 named
	> 'manifestations' of the godly. Leaving ONE out - whichever
	>  -  means: practising an impossibility, resulting in whichever
	> disaster. Necessity is here at work, but not in the sense
	> of determinism.
	>
	> rene
	>
	> to ti en einai
	>
	> Hoelderlin: o lovely islands, only you now are my concern.
	>
	
	Oh loyal follower in the Fussstapfen of the master,
	how slavish can you get?
	
	The unbinding of the spellbound becomes necessary (tut Not) within the
	sphere of influence of great thinkers.
	
	Heidegger's Hoelderlin is perhaps his Achille's heel. One of them,
	anyway.
	
	Maybe it would be worth considering a swap, an exchange between East and
	West.
	They get Western Technik, we get Eastern Nichts.

	

	   O Michael,

	   The recapitulation of the origins of the West  - the 3 named - implies a next

	   following discussion with the East. The Indian and Chinese traditions have

	   not contributed, unless indirectly, to the Europe that is now everywhere.

	   In the interest of the later discussion with them, one should first discover

	  what one is oneself, and that is inevitably the mixture (Geflecht) of those

	 3 beginnings. Also when they, or some of them, are left out, their

	 constellation remains ruling. And desastrous when the limits of the

	 planet are reached. But for you, taking  Heidegger by the word

	 means already reverence. You ridiculize the Hoelderlin nexus, while

	 a beginning to understand world Geschick cannot do without Hoelderlin's

	 view of history  'Colony loves the spirit", only in the unfamiliar, sensing finds

	 what is its own. As Greece did once vis-a-vis Asia. And which should be

	  re-begun, says Heidegger. Could you for once just render Heidegger's 

	  thoughts on Hoelderlin, or anything, then we can see what you don't

	  understand, because all i can see at this moment is merely sophistry.

	 Tones sure change quickly.

	 rene

	 

	 

	
	
	John Cage, who was born in California, knew that he lived in the
	confluence of East and West. His music tells of this meeting. Substitute
	John Cage for Hoelderlin?
	
	Heidegger also speaks of the other beginning as the Leap into the Da.
	But the Da is nothing... Open presence.
	
	Michael
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