From: "Anthony Crifasi" <crifasi-AT-hotmail.com> Subject: Re: Liberal vs. social democracy - Gestell/Gewinnst Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 13:44:44 +0000 Michael Eldred wrote: >This is why I object to the term "social Gestell", for it casts social >relations >as >being able to be set up in the same way as technological knowledge can set >up >things. >Money-mediated social relations, however, are groundless because they >depend on >opposing forces striving for gain, and this is the source of _risk_ in >capitalism. > >From within the thinking of Gestell, the phenomenon of risk is not >visible. All >the >calculating in economic life is a calculating subject to change without >notice, >because market social relations change ceaselessly. So economic >calculations >turn >into estimates and projections, and are always subject to revision. This is >NOT >the >case with Gestell-like knowledge -- e.g. an engineer who designs a bridge >on >estimates subject to change without notice would not _be_ an engineer, i.e. >he >or she would not master what engineering knowledge _is_. First, you REALLY need to write a book about this. I'll even pre-calculate the sales for you. Secondly, a question: what would be required for money-mediated relations to be subsumed under Gestell? You have already said that modern statistics is not enough for this. Is that simply because there are too many variables for the kind of for-knowledge required by Gestell? And if so, then wouldn't you be reducing an ontological analysis to a mere difference of degree? After all, even in designing a bridge, an engineer has to assume at least SOME things as stable which could possibly change without notice - for example, if the landscape radically changes due to some natural phenomenon that the bridge could not withstand. So since even engineering cannot account for some variables, is it then just a matter of how MANY variables there are? And if so, then wouldn't this be a mere matter of degree, which obviously cannot be the basis for an ontological distinction? Anthony Crifasi _________________________________________________________________ Send a QuickGreet with MSN Messenger http://www.msnmessenger-download.com/tracking/cdp_games --- from list heidegger-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu ---
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