Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 16:23:56 +0000
Subject: Re: Liberal vs. social democracy - Gestell/Gewinnst
From: michaelP <michael-AT-sandwich-de-sign.co.uk>


on 25/11/03 3:14 pm, Anthony Crifasi at crifasi-AT-hotmail.com wrote:

> michaelP wrote:
> 
>>> Again, nature has been far more inficient with its stocks than
>> capitalism,
>>> since 99.99999 percent of all natural species have been naturally
>> depleted
>>> to extinction.
>> 
>> Anthony, to speak of "nature" as dealing with its "stocks" is a near
>> perfect
>> example of gestell-speak; speaking thusly in the grip of gestell about
>> gestell is exactly what hides the essential nature of gestell itself;
>> misquoting Heraclitus: gestell likes to hide.
> 
> I should have put "stocks" in quotes, or leave out the reference to "stocks"
> altogether and speak simply in terms of the disappearance of species, and I
> think the point would still leap out, because John's criticism of capitalism
> in that part of his post was specifically in terms of its tendency to let a
> species die off instead of saving it. I argued that in nature there has been
> the same pattern, but even more extreme, so capitalism is a better
> alternative than nature herself when it comes to saving species from
> extinction.

Again, Anthony, you (and myriad others) speak of nature having patterns,
nature allowing (species to do whatever), etc. Same thing. We see nature as
achieving goals, as accomplishing work, etc. Bringing nature (ambiguously
also defined as being other than culture) into the totalisation of human
desire, will, calculation: nature as second culture. This is gestell.

regards

mP



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