Subject: RE: Liberal vs. social democracy - Gestell/Gewinnst Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 12:36:42 +0100 From: "Bakker, R.B.M. de" <R.B.M.deBakker-AT-uva.nl> rather: things MUST get out of control, in order for there to be an urge to control them. But things CANNOT be under control, basically. So Gestell is the obligation to do the impossible. Denying this means: saying: I, or we, CAN do it. If you have means (power), the less powerful pay in order to sustain your illusion. We're trying to understand why free democracies, with moral self- esteem, ARE aggressive, even independent of whether politicians and parties wish to be or not. -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-heidegger-AT-lists.village.Virginia.EDU [mailto:owner-heidegger-AT-lists.village.Virginia.EDU]Namens Anthony Crifasi Verzonden: donderdag 27 november 2003 11:35 Aan: heidegger-AT-lists.village.Virginia.EDU Onderwerp: Re: Liberal vs. social democracy - Gestell/Gewinnst Malcolm Riddoch wrote: > > If the Rhine found an alternate route around the dam and missed the > >power plant, then the Rhine would be precisely OUT of control, not > >ordered, controlled, and on call, and would therefore hardly be an > >exhibition of how things are defined under the sway of gestell. > >On the contrary Anthony, if the Rhine breaks its banks and disrupts the >production of electricity then it becomes even more explicitly framed by >Gestell precisely as nature 'OUT of control, not ordered, controlled, and >on call' Yes but the more the Rhine does that, the less it can be a legitimate power-supplier for the plant, and therefore the less it is stored and on call as "water-power." In the extreme case, if noone could think of any way to the contain the Rhine, then the Rhine would appear totally uncontainable and uncontrollable, and would not be seen as possible "water power" for the plant at all. So the more power something has to regularly preclude such incidents, the more power it has to define things under the sway of gestell. That's why I'm emphasizing the ability of the government to actually physically penalize me for failing to comply with its mandates, whereas corporations can hardly throw me in jail or sieze my assets simply for trying to circumvent them. Anthony Crifasi _________________________________________________________________ Say "goodbye" to busy signals and slow downloads with a high-speed Internet connection! Prices start at less than $1 a day average. https://broadband.msn.com (Prices may vary by service area.) --- from list heidegger-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu --- --- from list heidegger-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu ---
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