From: "Anthony Crifasi" <crifasi-AT-hotmail.com> Subject: RE: Liberal vs. social democracy - Gestell/Gewinnst Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 17:00:58 +0000 Rene de Bakker wrote: >rather: things MUST get out of control, in order for there to be >an urge to control them. >But things CANNOT be under control, basically. So Gestell is >the obligation to do the impossible. > >Denying this means: saying: I, or we, CAN do it. If you have >means (power), the less powerful pay in order to sustain your >illusion. > >We're trying to understand why free democracies, with moral self- >esteem, ARE aggressive, even independent of whether politicians >and parties wish to be or not. But with regard to "technological frenzy," Heidegger criticized both America (a free democracy) AND Russia: "From a metaphysical point of view, Russia and America are the same; the same dreary technological frenzy, the same unrestricted organization of the average man." (Intro. to Met.) This is also evidence, I think, that Heidegger would not say that corporations have more power than government to define things under the sway of gestell, since not only were there no corporations in Russia, but not even any private property (the very core of capitalism) at all. There were, however, corporations in America at the time he said the above, so if he had thought there was a lopsided contrast between corporations and government with regard to technologizing, he surely would have said so. But I haven't read what or whether he says in later writings about Russia. Anyone know of any texts on that? Anthony Crifasi _________________________________________________________________ Say “goodbye” to busy signals and slow downloads with a high-speed Internet connection! Prices start at less than $1 a day average. https://broadband.msn.com (Prices may vary by service area.) --- from list heidegger-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu ---
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