File spoon-archives/heidegger.archive/heidegger_2003/heidegger.0311, message 57


From: Hilail Gildin <hgildin-AT-nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Nietzsche/Nazism - biologism
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 10:17:48 -0500


If you have any suggestions concerning how to deal with Arafat, would 
you please make them? They might help the prime ministers he appoints, 
and even win you the gratitude of the European union.


On Nov 7, 2003, at 5:03 AM, Malcolm Riddoch wrote:

>
> On Thursday, November 6, 2003, at 09:20  PM, Bakker, R.B.M. de wrote:
>
>> Ironically the 'Jewish problem' in the Arab Muslim world, this strange
>> case of semitic anti-semitism,
>>
>>   It also works the other way around, Malcolm.
>
> Yes I know. There are war dogs on each side of the divide. Sharon, the 
> 'butcher', walks into the Al-Aqsa mosque to start the next intifada 
> and his election campaign while his counterpart still dreams of 
> pushing the Jews of Israel back into the sea. And in the middle of 
> this ungodly machination are the men, women and children blown to 
> pieces by human bombs and helicopter gunships. Whether you agree with 
> Israel's nationalist aspirations or not, it has earned recognition of 
> its statehood from its enemies by overwhelming force of arms, and the 
> European escapees from the Nazi holocaust have forged themselves a 
> home in their biblical homeland. Now if only they could withdraw from 
> the occupied territories and cede east Jerusalem to their neigbours, 
> perhaps with a UN mandated international enclave between them, maybe 
> we could all just get along...
>
> But then of course there's the refugee problem and the partisan 
> political need for the Jews of Israel to remain a majority in their 
> own state. And there's also the fortified colonial settlements in 
> strategic positions within the Palestinian territories. And a host of 
> other difficulties. But it doesn't seem to be in the interests of 
> either side's leadership to sue for peace just yet which means the 
> wider 'war on terror' will continue indefinitely, just as Bush 
> predicts, and god is apparently on his side as well. It's quite 
> possibly not in his interests to see a quick resolution of this 
> problem either, but then how cynical should we become? The situation 
> gets rather apocalyptic if you take your cynicism to its logical 
> extremes don't you think?
>
> I still don't see this primarily in terms of race or religion though, 
> apart from their use as unifying forces for the nationalist 
> aspirations of all concerned parties. Tell your desperate oppressed 
> people that god will take you into heaven if you martyr yourself and 
> slaughter the 'infidel', even if that infidel is an infant. Or claim a 
> god given right to expel your Muslim neighbour from their lands and 
> then fight for your right to exist as His chosen people by blowing 
> their children to smithereens with battle tanks and rockets. Or claim 
> to be fighting a just 'Christian' crusade against the evils of 
> terrorism by militarily crushing two sovereign states with uncounted 
> thousands of innocents slaughtered...
>
> What kind of god demands and sanctions the slaughter of innocents? 
> Which heavens are ruled by gods of human blood sacrifice, hatred, 
> suffering and murder? For me this isn't a question of religion, it's 
> not even really a question of race or ethnicity, it's a question of 
> propaganda control and amoral power struggles with real people caught 
> in the middle, both Jewish and Muslim. But even if the gods are all 
> dead, power is still overwhelmingly on the side of the Israeli 
> military occupiers so I can understand your 'anti-Jewish' bias Rene, 
> although I do find it a bit troublingly simplistic, especially in the 
> context of these complicated discussions about Nazism and European 
> anti-semitism.
>
> Regards,
>
> Malcolm
>
>
>
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