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From: "bob scheetz" <rscheetz-AT-cboss.com>
Subject: Re: gestell etiology 
Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 15:42:17 -0500



From: "John Foster"

> Nice! Humans as Monarch Species

yeh, clearly nature has darwinian hard-wired us, no? nothing voluntary here.
so how can will exist? ... except as anti-darwinian.  thence, not will to
power, but will to honesty, generosity, fairness, ...

> Gestell is 'nothing technological' but rather includes method, a device
> paradigm, and revealing destining. It is the result of a way of looking at
> nature as means, rather than as a 'kingdom of ends', a Kantian ultimate
end.
> Nature as provider of immediate material needs of humans as
> mono-monarchic-species

isn't the origin of gestell implicit in the disenchantment of nature (and
correlative exaltation of man)?  isn't this the liberation of the gods from
the ginats,
no?  the subsequent subjugation, appropriation and consumption, formerly
sacramental, now rational, ...columbus claim of the americas for leon &
castile in the name of god would not hold up in our era of law, ...thence
israel's problem, (law rationalizes property and polis; math rationalises
natural sciences; capitalism, social production and distribution, ...nso
on),  is a global thing better called (to my mind) by nietzsche; and the
ascendance of the apollonian, epochal or maturational.  still, the
michelangelo david, unlike the grks, is notably a concordia discors,
apollo head grafted on a simian body, ...alpha with brains, and hence:
sling-shot to smart bombs, and western global imperialism, ...so that it
appears reason is secondary, a function of the hard-wired darwinian essence.

>
> Included in the Gestell are elements which include:
>
> 1.    geometric uniformity (denoted by 'straight lines')
>
> 2.    grids laid out as though the earth was a 'planar surface'
>
> 3.    linearity denoted by 'mathematical certainty' (eg. linear
optimization
> technique)
>
> "Technical solutions are expensive, lead to innovation in technologies,
but
> they do not lead to viable social and cultural communities."
>
> Point #3 is interesting because it is an 'analogue' of the thinking self,
> which alone exists; hence the same certainty which is the product of
> mathematics is also the same certainty of the 'cogito sum', or "I think,
> therefore I am."
>
> If there is mathematical certainty, then there is no other certainty which
> is as certain. This is why Descartes, Heidegger, and others suggest that
our
> own certainty of being, is at least as certain as the logical propositions
> of mathematics, which provide a 'model' or 'mode of analogous being' for
> being-in-the-world.
>
> Instrumental reason, which alone is discursive, then is the substratum of
> the Gestell (Questiong Concerning Technology).
>
> chow
>
> need to fill the stove up with firewood, then go out with sled and cut
more
> before darkness falls...we are getting a pineapple express today...it is
> raining....

yer really taking this epoche thing serious, there,  John?

thanks
bob

> johnF
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "bob scheetz" <rscheetz-AT-cboss.com>
> To: "heidegger list" <heidegger-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu>
> Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2003 12:08 PM
> Subject: gestell etiology
>
>
> > "send out your big warshps to watch your big waters
> > "that no one may stop us from bringing you food
> > "for the bread that you eat and the biscuits you nibble
> > "the sweets that yuo suck and the joints that you carve
> > "they are brot to you daily by all us big steamers
> > "and if anyone hinders our coming, you'll starve.
> >              from kipling's "big steamers"
> >
> > thence to the thrid reich as well as anti-communism, anti-terorism and
the
> > rationale for wolfowitz' global reich, ...not will to will, but "nature
> red
> > in tooth and claw" biologism with reason our ferocious tribal god.
> >
> >  the lit from blake's urizen, dickens, marx, henry adams, nietzsche,
> tonnies
> > & weber, ... and, proximally,  junger, is fulsome with horror at the
> > faustian bargain, reason/science/liberalism, that is modernity; and of
> > course continues unabated with foucault, greens, pope...in the perhaps
> > imminence of the bargain. heid's construction, dasein/gestell dialectic,
> > emerges within this cultual commons.  superficially it resembles, not
> > ironically, kabalah,obviously from husserl's influence and caste
exigency;
> > but primordially and essentially it's heid the catholic theologian
> updating
> > the verbum.
> > so, ....in this amateur's opinion (and thanks to malcolm riddoch's
> gracious
> > permission), yer all wrong, ...and "greek heid",  something only a
> professor
> > could believe.
> >
> > seasons greetings.
> >  bob
> >
> >
> >
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