Subject: RE: Blame Bliar
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 13:16:48 +0100
From: "Bakker, R.B.M. de" <R.B.M.deBakker-AT-uva.nl>




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Onderwerp: Re: Blame Bliar


In a message dated 03/02/2004 16:12:10 GMT Standard Time, 
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> 

>     Jud,
> 
>     But all the time the lying was visible. How come they could and still 
> can get
>     away with it so long? 
> 
> Jud:
> Unfortunately there is nothing new about lying politicians getting away with 
> lies for long periods.  
   pathetic modern examples of a historical stereotype of such 
representatives of humanity at its worst.

>  think that the ability to lie or bend the truth and break one's word is 
> an absolute necessity for any politician. 
> Politicians who are consistently found out in their lies usually don't last 
> long - but they are usually the very inept ones.
> Bliar's genius was in setting up a hard-hitting press office within Downing 
>  
of his policies.  The latest 'Committee of Enquiry,' with a tame establisment 
judge as the tail-gunner with the BBC getting all the flak, with a tame 
establisment judge as the tail-gunner was a  shameful episode.  Let's hope the next 
parliamentary enquiry will finally rid the British public of this cheating 
cuckoo in the nest of the Mother of Parliaments. 

   I totally agree. But he takes all the others with him, they all cheated.
   The damage is already done, and the oil gang has given us all a new enemy.
   The islam ladies put on their khumur's and hijab's, and the weapon industry
   looks into a sunny future. The wild strike their matches again (H). It's a
   bloody bloody shame. Some way or the other this will turn against them: 
   there's no way out.  


rene:

> The Germanics turned away from their leaders, long before they could utter a 
  lie.
> 


Jud:
For this I applaud them.

   It's now urging time to think how such is possible. 

> 
>     Dasein, Mitsein are nothing generic, as Anthony claims. Mitsein means 
> that
>     we must become humans to each other, again and anew. It's a term, that 
> indicates
>     to the one following the indication, that being together is nothing 
> evident,
>     nothing theoretical, and nothing intersubjectivist, guaranteeable.
>     


Jud:
I'm afraid that pluralistic Mittseinic palsy-walsy is wishful thinking, and 
just as Harry Potterish as its singular version Dasein.  People might say they 
feel this way,  and make protestations of  brotherhood, but when the economic 
cards are down Capitalists, Socialists Christians, Muslims are all as greedy  
and self-seeking as each other, and it's a question of first one through the 
doors of Walmart wins, and the devil take the hindmost. In my view the 
Heideggerian 'analytic' is totally unsuitable for any serious evaluation of the ways 
of the modern world, though it may have cut some ice amongst the citizens of 
Pompeii prior to the eruption of Vesuvius and its 'presencing' of red-hot lava 
over their particular comportment towards oblivion.

   It is not an analytic in this sense, but the (shaky) indispensable ground for
   evaluation. In fact, nothing to fight over, but to be. Regardless of all and
   any publicity, of all that happens in the world. Then things are turned around:
   no longer the deceit and misery look necessary and fatal, without disappearing
   they shows themselves suddenly (eh!) in their utter desolateness. That frees.


BTW [totally unconnected]  I just found out that if with the aid of 'find and 
replace'  that if one substitutes incidences of 'Being' with 'God' in 
Heidegger's works
it scans perfectly, doesn't read at all oddly or awkwardly, and makes 
absolute common sense from a pantheist perspective.  Later I will post an example to 
show you what I mean. Maybe this is why his stuff rings certain bells for 
Tudor and others of a Deistic ilk?

  In fact, there's in the Contributions a piece on 'belief' or 'faith', Glaube.
  In fact quite the opposite of the Deists, the users of their gods. 
  There's no such thing as a philosophy of being, but belief in its truth
  (openness) is indispensable, so we are the true believers. We don't claim,
  but we try to think harder. 
  
  Moreover: our Being causes no conflict between Gods.

  rene


Cheers,

Jud.

<A HREF="http://evans-experientialism.freewebspace.com/ ">http://evans-experientialism.freewebspace.com/</A> 
Jud Evans - ANALYTICAL INDICANT THEORY.
<A HREF="http://uncouplingthecopula.freewebspace.com">http://uncouplingthecopula.freewebspace.com</A>

Heidegger Cartoons:
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