Subject: RE: curtain call
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 14:37:05 +0200
From: "Bakker, R.B.M. de" <R.B.M.deBakker-AT-uva.nl>




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[mailto:owner-heidegger-AT-lists.village.Virginia.EDU]Namens Anthony
Crifasi
Verzonden: dinsdag 1 juni 2004 22:59
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Onderwerp: curtain call


Rene de Bakker wrote:

>    Bob,
>
>    The inauthenticity was in the question, and it was a malicious one:
>    it tried to catch not only the man, but his thinking. And he saved 
>that,
>    by giving much bigger disasters back, like food production, which
>    kills earth and sky alike, and so the 'habitat' of all those existing.
>
>    So Heidegger's question back is: why don't you see yourself this
>    immoralist robbing away of earth and sky? I have a way of dealing
>    with it, that is my thinking of Being. But this is precisely what
>    you want to get rid of, by asking ME, of all, whether i find Auschwitz
>    criminal. That's an insult by itself.
>
>    Heidegger's word can, however, like any other, be misused for spoiled
>    purposes. Let there be no misunderstanding how Heidegger thought of
>    killing and abuse.

This unanswering answer, this flitting use of quotes ("habitat")


   habitare = Wohnen, like in ...dichterisch wohnet der Mensch.
   The turning from scientific (here biologist) terminology to an 
   ontological, is one of the main points of Heideggerian
   philosophy. The quotes are there  - Heidegger himself often does
   it - to indicate the possibility of a turning. The idea is that
   the reader picks it up, and tries for himself. That is called
   'responding' in reading Heidegger.


 to hide ambiguity, this claim of "insult" to avoid the question,


  'Why do you insult me?' is the real answer Heidegger gave to the question.
  
   A real answer to questions regarding his engagement 1933/34 he gave to
   the student Buchner. I also brought them, but you never reacted. In fact,
   you were never interested in "Heidegger the Nazi" (quotes) - until your
   own position was severely undermined. Now your despicable strategy becomes
   visible for all who want to see.  


 is the last straw. 

   This is so childish, Anthony (and MichaelP), that your motives to be here, 
   appear in a shady light. Like yer motivation to step out now in such a 
   theatrical way.

   rene




I've been on this list 7 years and never have I encountered such a lack of 
listening, and lack of response. And I've seen less preaching and 
pontificating on the most religious of groups. As far as I can tell, what is 
advocated here in the name of Heidegger includes repeatedly clipping out 
parts of posts that answer subsequent questions and then criticizing for 
lack of answer, being more critical of an ad than a beheading, dubbing 
terrorism "manly," throwing around accusations of glibness and then refusing 
to answer an inquiry into that very accusation, criticizing the citing of 
texts as mere robotic repetition despite obvious reasons the texts were 
quoted, demanding that others address cited articles while responding to 
ones cited by others by merely calling them "cute", and a lack of ability to 
follow through a point as long as it takes. I used to learn at least by 
contrast here, but now there's not even that. Where there's no listening, 
there's no discourse. So it's been a nice 7 years, but it's time to add my 
voice to the chorus of the silent.

See you on heidegger-dialognet, where there's still listening.



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