File spoon-archives/list-proposals.archive/list-p_1995/list-p_Jun.95, message 95


Date: Sun, 18 Jun 1995 22:32:05 -0400 (EDT)
From: Alan Sondheim <sondheim-AT-panix.com>
Subject: Re: Daydream




Most of these sorts of things are in place on Usenet by the way, check 
out alt.noun.adjective.verb.verb.verb (think that's right), alt.warlord 
(ditto), etc. - there is a lot of experimentation - also check out the 
Spam that happened on alt.2600, available maybe still on Marius Watz' 
page and alt.hackers which you have to hack into - I feel very 
differently about email lists which is why I'm not posting here much 
about this -

Alan

On Sun, 18 Jun 1995, Malgosia Askanas wrote:

> (BTW, not in connection with this thread, isn't there something funny
> about the fact that so many people mention the D-G list?  If so many
> of us are dissatisfied with the way D-G is, how come it is that way?
> Can we up and change it?) 
> 
> Tow W said: 
> 
> > What would the following lists look like?
> > free-association
> > digression
> > vacuum
> > everyday-life
> > memory
> 
> (I love the idea of a list called "digression"; the rule would be that
> you'd never be permitted to speak on the topic.  If you did, you'd
> have to pay a fine.  I would be treasurer.) 
> 
> I think "everyday life" and "memory" might be excellent list names,
> provided that there is a well-thought-out list description that
> focuses everything.  Maybe that's not required in the case of
> "memory", but I would say definitely for "everyday life".  I quite
> like that, actually.  I wonder what other people think.  
> 
> > I've been thinking of a list called list-jockey that's about the future of 
> > writing, as mediated by email lists and hypertext. 
> 
> This seems to me a meadow Alan would want to frolick in.  
> 
> > "With the foundation of an international moving script 
> > [poets] will renew their authority in the life of peoples, and find a role 
> > awaiting them in comparison to which all the innovative aspirations of 
> > rhetoric will reveal themselves as antiquated daydreams." Is this prediction 
> > an antiquated daydream?
> 
> I once saw a grotesque "panel discussion" between Marvin Minsky and
> Umberto Eco; somebody had the malicious idea of putting them together
> in public and having them "discuss" the 21st century.  Eco, among
> other things, expressed the opinion that in the 21st century things like
> poetry and art will become central to people's lives.  Minsky, on the
> other hand, thought that they would altogether vanish, since they were just 
> blind alleys that people in the past pursued instead of pursuing computer
> science, which alone is capable of solving the only two problems worthy
> of human attention: how to become immortal and how to achive knowledge
> without having to have any physical interactions with the outside world.  
> 
> 
> -malgosia 
> 

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