Date: Tue, 02 Jul 1996 14:24:11 +0100
From: uzs66e-AT-ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (Markus Hintze)
Subject: Re: questions


Dear choi chang-yun!

>i think lyotard's postmodern sublime is differentiated with E.burke's
sublime in
>the 18c aesthetics history in a substantial aspect. burke's sublime is an
> empirical, concrete. so it has many examplifications drew from Nature's
>phenomenon. (e.g. high mountain's scene, a dramatic seascape)
>
>i think, in the case of burke's, a sublime conception reduced to the
> psychological phenomenon and its operating system, but lyotard's sublime
reduced > to a kant's system of the capacities, i.e. a conception appealed
>from the discordance
> between the imagination and the understanding. lyotard called this, " a
negative
> pleasure".
>in a view of that, lyotard's sublime is a kantian formal conception.

I would say, that kant's sublime is as empirical and concrete as burke's.
You can find the same examples from Nature's phenomenon in Kant's Kritik der
Urteilskraft (=A723).
You can also find the negative pleasure in the Kritik der Urteilskraft in
=A727 where Kant is talking about pleasure and listlessness.

>my first question is following. what difference is between the burke's
sublime (
> in relation to a grandeur) and lyotard's sublime (in relation to the
kantian formal
> capacity) and kant's sublime (in relation to his total critic system)?

I think you are right that Burke is an empiristic Philosoph. His
contribution to the discussion of the sublime is in my opinion the
difeerenciation between the sublime and the beautiful.
Kant tried to find a synthesis between empirism an rationalism. He saw the
possibility of combining the morality with aestetics through the sublime.
For Lyotard, who is a explizit Kant-reader, the sublime shows us the
differences and way of sensible reflections. He sets this against consuming
and making uniform - especially in arts. Lyotard aims the unrepresentable,
the formless an die dissende (le differend).

This is my short answer - maybe there are some more ...

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Sem. of New Testament
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