File spoon-archives/lyotard.archive/lyotard_1998/lyotard.9810, message 23


Subject: Re: throw jameson a bone
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 14:01:53 -0500


Alan Liu has some great suggestions here, and we do need to get some sort of
schedule of discussion together. Any suggestions on how to split up the text
is great appreciated. Alan, and anyone else, I would like to know what you
think. Personally I think we can put bias aside and should go through text
as it is presented in the text (including Jameson's forward). Upon
completion of the discussion of the text as it is written may be a good time
to review critiques, commentary, etc. of other philosophers and writers on
the work.  Many, including myself, may be hard pressed to locate and read
these others works prior to the scheduled date of the discussion (Oct. 26).
This may also be putting the cart before the horse, so to speak.

 I am thrilled there is interest in this activity!! Please share your
thoughts prior to beginning to this can be an enjoyable, worthwhile
activity.  We can debrief following to determine how we can do this better
in the future.
-----Original Message-----
From: Alan Liu <ayliu-AT-humanitas.ucsb.edu>
To: lyotard-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu <lyotard-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu>
Date: Sunday, October 18, 1998 2:23 AM
Subject: RE: throw jameson a bone


>I strongly suggest that the L-list not preface its intended discussion with
>Jameson's forward, since that would in effect preemptively establish a set
of
>critical questions.  J's forward is an effective and strong one, and that
is
>the problem.  The last paragraph in particular initiates a critique of
Lyotard
>in the service of a general critique of postindustrialism (in its persona
as
>"late capitalism," a rogue variant of the same-old capitalism) that
forecloses
>any real entertainment of the fundamental Lyotardian question in this work:
>"can there be the new," or more paralogically, the "different"?
>
>I'd suggest instead that the intended discussion of _The Postmodern
>Condition_, which now has an announced beginning point and date, conclude
>symmetrically in a specific terminus: a discussion of the reception of
>"postmodern"in specifically social, economic, or institutional terms as a
>"condition" (rather than primarily as an aesthetics or style).  Two authors
I
>would suggest for such a post-discussion: (1) Jameson (the forward to
Lyotard
>plus "Postmodernism and Consumer Society," in Hal Foster, ed., _The
>Anti-Aesthetic: Essays on Postmodern Culture_ (Port Townsend, Wash.: Bay
>Press, 1983) or the latter piece in expanded and less crystal-sharp form as
>Chap. 1 of _Postmodernism, or the Cultural Logic of Late Capitalism_
(Durham:
>Duke Univ. Press, 1991); (2) Bill Readings, _The University in Ruins_
>(Cambridge, Mass.: Harvard Univ. Press, 1996).
>
>"Jameson's Pastiche and Lyotard's Paralogy," for example, would make for a
>wonderful, tightly focused topic of discussion.  As would: "Lyotard's
versus
>Readings' University."
>
>P.S.  Regarding the _Differend_: that is a much ampler, deeper, richer,
>multilayered, and ultimately endless work.  I very much doubt that a
>"chapter-by-chapter" discussion plan would be sustainable or finishable.
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-lyotard-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu
>> [mailto:owner-lyotard-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu]On Behalf Of Bayard G.
>> Bell
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 1998 9:42 AM
>> To: lyotard-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu
>> Subject: Re: throw jameson a bone
>>
>>
>> A suggestion: read Jameson before and after.  We can use Jameson as an
>> overview before starting and return to him with our own views to assess
>> his foreword.
>>
>> -Bayard Bell
>>
>> hugh bone wrote:
>> >
>> > Mark Clifford wrote:
>> >
>> > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> >
>> > Maybe, if you can post it for those of us who have not yet obtained the
>> > book.
>> >
>> > HB
>> >
>> > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> > > so.
>> > > any pre-review thoughts on Frederic Jameson's foreword/critique?
>> > >
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