File spoon-archives/lyotard.archive/lyotard_1999/lyotard.9903, message 22


From: "W.F. Wong" <wf-AT-camelot.de>
Subject: AW: Not one common language but as many as we can master
Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 10:41:22 +-100



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I think, language is not the only one with which we communicate. I mean, somehting which support the language as a communicating way is also important, for example, the understanding and acceptance of our finiteness so that we know and accept other ways of lives, though we don't really know much about them and maybe we don't have chance to experience such kinds of lives but we know, we work "parallel" with them and they are also valuable like our systems and our ways of life.

Wong

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Von: 	Tony Michael Roberts[SMTP:solace54-AT-yahoo.com]
Gesendet: 	Samstag, 20. Marz 1999 21:55
An: 	lyotard-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu
Betreff: 	Not one common language but as many as we can master

In order to keep the conversation going, we must come to know one
anothers languages. The plural is important. We do not need to share a
mother tongue(prefered genre of discourse)but each of us must come to
speak the other's mother tongue. This is a different thing than
finding a common language.   
       Paralogy, if it is possible, is only possible because the
distinction which Donald Davidson drew between incommensurablity and
untranslatablity is valid. There will be words in your language which
will not translate into mine and vice versa, This does not mean we can
not communicate. It only means that I will have to learn spanish if I
ever really want to know what the world "sympatico" means.
     I can learn spanish and someone who speaks spanish as a mother
tongue can learn english. This is what makes the difference between
untranslatablity and incommensurability. We are not, as Whorf thought,
prisoners of the grammar of our language simply because we humans are
clever enough to learn more than one. we can learn to speak both
spanish and english, both science and religion. We can have more
meaning and more resource for understanding available than will fit
within the horizon of any one way of speaking.
    Paralogy can never be based on finding a common language. There is
none. Paralogy is about learning someone else's langauge while at the
same time heping them to learn your own. The result can be shared
understandings and even institutional arangements which are felt as
valid and respected even though the persons showing this respect could
not express "the whole thing" they know and accept in any one genre of
discourse.




---Lois Shawver <rathbone-AT-CALIFORNIA.COM> wrote:
>
> good point relating CLS to Rorty.  Let me comment a little about Rorty
> and the relationship to Lyotard and paralogy.
>
> I'm don't recall Lyotard mentioning Rorty.  I think the influence goes
> the other way.  Rorty has a paper comparing Habermas and Lyotard on
> postmodernity, which I find interesting.
>
> But on the notion of keeping the conversation going, and also
Lyotard's
> paralogy, it is interesting to compare these notions with Rorty's
> concept of edifying philosophy.  Here are some relevant quotations:
>
>
> "(T)he point of edifying philosophy is to keep the conversation going
> rather than to find objective truth." (p.377)
>
> "To see keeping the conversation going as a sufficient aim of
> philosophy, to see wisdom as consisting in the abiity to sustain a
> conversation, is to see human beings as generators of new description
> rather than beigns one hopes to be able to describe accurately....
> "[Edifying philosophy] can *only* be reactive, ...it falls into
> self-deception whenever it tries to do more than send the conversation
> off in new directions....thepoint is always the same -- to perform the
> social function which Dewey called 'breaking the crust of convention,'
> preventing man from deluding himself with the notion that he knows
> himself, or anything else, except under optional descriptions."
> (378-379)
>
> excerpts from
> Rorty, R. (1979). Philosophy and the Mirror of Nature. Princeton, New
> Jersey: Princeton University Press.
>
> also see:
> Rorty, R. (1991). Habermas and Lyotard on postmodernity. In Rorty, R.
> In Essays on Heidegger and Others.  New York: Cambridge University
> Press.  164-176.
>
> ..Lois Shawver
>



==
"Work like you don't need the money, love like you've never been hurt and dance like no one is watching." Richard M. Nixon
"We are all Jews and we are all Germans." Michel Foucault
"The sympathy of the walnut for the human head that makes walnuts a cure for headaches and head wounds would be unknown except that the walnut looks like a brain." Michel Foucault




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