Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 15:42:22 -0700
From: Lois Shawver <rathbone-AT-california.com>
Subject: Re: reality check (was Das Capital)




I had said:
< Then what you need is a ruse. >

Brent, you said:
< i thought my last post was the ruse.  :)>

I say
<It seemed to me that you were saying: Oh, I don't want to go through
this script.  I tell you that what you do is awful and you defend
yourself, and yet there is nothing else to do if we talk.>
I say:
Sounds like not much of ruse to me.  

I am wondering:
What do you think of ruses, Brent?  Are they more than strategems?  Is
there such a thing as a transparent ruse?  Would it be possible?  Or is
it part of the game to deceive?

You ask me:
however:  is not a ruse already a strategem?  and are not honesty and
deceit rather to be elements used/manipulated by the ruse rather than
criteria by which it is judged?

Lois:
These are the rules you are negotiating for this langauge game of
ruses?  Or are these the rules you want to say that Lyotard set down? 
(They are the Law?)  I think one can judge another's ruses, if one
dare.  Why not?  

You ask:
 freud lectured psychoanalysts not to consider dream analysis as an end
in itself, but to subsume the interpretation of dreams to the needs of
the transference.  strategic interpretation.  is the analysand being
deceived by the interpretation proffered?  what value do terms like
honesty and deceit have in this context?

Lois:
Are you inviting me into a dialogue?  A serious one in which we try o
think things through?  What are you doing, Brent?  Why are you
bothering?

Brent, you continue:
< (and -- for these considerations go on and on -- how is freud's
prescription to be regarded?  is it an heuristic based on observation
and practice, with pretense to scientific validity?  or a strategy in
itself, aimed at the growing influence of analytical psychology, where
priority was given to dream analysis?  honesty or deceitfulness by
freud?  or neither?  who can tell?)>

Again, these questions sound like you mean to have a serious dialogue
with me.  Let me know.  Your earlier position made me think you and I
were about to shift to jousting.  I'm available for either that or for
pondering each other's position with respect and generosity.  

Your ball.

..Lois Shawver