Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 12:10:10 -0500
Subject: IDF





On Tue, 20 Mar 2001, Orpheus wrote:

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Listen Ken, How can you talk so freely about Mid-East Politics without
even mentioning the landed struggle (a jihad literally means a
struggle) and the Palestinian existential right of return? You also did
not care to mention that the Israel has a "defense force" not an
army which, in light of terrorist action and Israeli retaliation, often
comes under international scrutiny. I would bes each you not to compare
a Jihad (and the struggle for land) to the Gestapo. 


> he is Jewish. The leader of Israel: the butcher of Sabra and Shatila. Was
> what happened there in 1982 any different, morally, than the horrors
> perpetrated by the SS in, say, the Polish ghetto?
> 
> Poets have the right to write about the repression of the Palestinian people
> AS IT HAPPENS NOW no less than they have the right to commemorate the
> Holocaust or Hiroshima. In doing so, how could contempt and rage not emerge
> through the ancient and sacred mode of irony?
> 
> Kent
> 
> >From: TAllenTW-AT-AOL.COM
> >Reply-To: TAllenTW-AT-AOL.COM
> >To: BRITISH-POETS-AT-JISCMAIL.AC.UK
> >Subject: Re: breathless Paulin
> >Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 13:56:21 EST
> >
> >Atar Hadari:
> > >The scandal was regarding Paulin's poem "Killed in
> > >Crossfire" which took the widely printed picture of a
> > >Palestinian boy being shot as the occasion to casually
> > >describe Israeli Defense Force soldiers as SS...
> > >...personally I
> > >found the poem cheap and exploitative. I wondered if
> > >anyone else had seen it or had thoughts about it?
> >
> >I have not seen the poem so I cannot comment on it but I do find everything
> >about Israeli attitudes towards the Palestinians as being 'cheap and
> >exploitive', personally. Who gives a damn about the poem, its the
> >circumstances that gave rise to it that matter. And why not describe the
> >Israeli Defense Force as being SS when in similar situations around the
> >world
> >the description would not raise an eyebrow. Say it loud and let the cruel
> >irony sink in, because it doesn't does it, it doesn't sink in. Depressing.
> >
> >Tim A.
> 
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