Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 18:17:05 -0700
From: Sissy <sissy-AT-ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: YAY more ethics of Other!


not complicated until the issue of help which is the service the
client pays for and the therapists markets himself or herself
to sell comes into view then its far more complicated
Who determines what's helpful and how and of course
what happens when the client disagrees how is that received
and heard and responded to. In terms of postmodern collaborative
therapy its even more complicated when helpful is claimed to
be collaboratively developed between the participants in the therapy
itself and the therapist is selling unknowing, collaboration with
the people who come to see them, and non expertise
at the same time as marketing themselves to be experts in
non expertise.


guillame debord wrote:

> I am a client when I pay; you are the therapist. it is
> not complicated. Exchange of services. R.D.Laing once
> said that to be a therapist is to make oneself a zero;
> he said it was similar to be a pro-stitute i.e. from
> the latin as in One Who Stands in For.
> C'est n'est pas plus complique que ca.
> I love you
> --- Sissy <sissy-AT-ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> > For that matter what  is a client?
> > I'm more interested in how you might answer
> > your own questions?
> > In the relationship of "therapy" what is
> > the relationship of the psychologist to the client?
> >
> >
> > steve.devos-AT-krokodile.com wrote:
> >
> > > Sissy, Glen and all
> > >
> > > Reading through the discussions on psychologists
> > etc - what precisely do you
> > > think psychologists do?
> > >
> > > What is a psychologist?
> > >
> > > regards
> > >
> > > sdv
> > >
> > > Glen Fuller wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hey Sissy( and I suppose Steve, and everyone
> > else!),
> > > >
> > > > Sissy were you around when there was a
> > discussion on the list (this list)
> > > > about ethics and the Other, and authentic
> > speaking positions regarding
> > > > notions of victimhood?
> > > > Steve do you remember those posts regarding the
> > ethics of the Other that
> > > > precipitated discussion about Badiou, I think I
> > was engaging Hugh?
> > > >
> > > > Yep,
> > > > Glen.
> > > >
> > > > PS The above is in regards to the below,
> > specifically the line about being
> > > > in a privileged position.
> > > >
> > > > >Unfortunately in the hands of professional
> > psychologists who are still
> > > > >for the large part dismissive of their own
> > positions of power as holding
> > > > >any significance or importance to examine, the
> > continuance of notions
> > > > >of expertise and the development of paralogy as
> > a technique to
> > > > >practice upon consumers without their
> > collaboration on it's development,
> > > > >and all of its demonstrations point to and
> > demonstrate it's failing at
> > > > >bringing possibilities of just politics.  I
> > also have to wonder what
> > > > >someone who by their own position is not a
> > person of color, is not
> > > > >a glbt, is not a consumer, is not uneducated
> > can bring to the understanding
> > > > >of just politics when what is just is
> > determined solely by such a position.
> > > > >What would someone really KNOW about just
> > politics when they aren't
> > > > >effected by unjust politics by their very
> > privileged position.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >Lois Shawver wrote:
> > > > >On another note, to all of you, and especially
> > you, Eric, but you, too,
> > > > >
> > > > > >   In my reading "paralogy" remains in a new
> > form in his later writing,
> > > > >not
> > > > > >
> > > > > > often, but here and there, and it continues
> > to be a spark of hope and
> > > > > > even enchantment (arguably an enlightenment
> > enchantment) with the
> > > > > > possibilities for a just politics.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Best wishes,
> > > > > > ..Lois Shawver
> > > > >
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