File spoon-archives/lyotard.archive/lyotard_2001/lyotard.0111, message 36


Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2001 11:46:28 +0000
Subject: Re: Ethics as a Figure of Nihilism




All

like the work of Negri and Hardt, Badiou's work is a return to a more 
Hegelian line of descent, rather than the Kantian turn favored by 
Lyotard. The inherent materialism and the rejection of any transcendent 
'beyond' are both implicit and sometimes explicit in the text. Ignoring 
the new philosophers (which is a pleasure) - the concept of difference 
is in various forms is found throughout the work of Deleuze, Derrida, 
Foucault and Lyotard is arguably founded on distinguishing their thought 
from Hegelian conceptions of difference. I am thinking especially of 
Derrida and Deleuze here - (read through Gillian Rose ) - but it also 
works in relation to Lyotard for  the non-humanistic, initially 
anti-humanism  conception of difference avoids contradiction and 
suggests that contradiction is infinitely less important than 
'difference'. But without contradiction how can the marxist critique of 
capital be derived? Badiou's relationship to 'difference' and the 
rejection of Kantian approaches,  perhaps even the refusal of the 
sublime begins from the materialist/marxist need for contradiction which 
is used in Hegal to 'resolve it, to interiorize it'... difference that is.

I touch on this (badly) to stress that Badiou's anti-humanism, has the 
same origins as the previous generation of radical French thinkers, but 
that the divergence between the positions is in the relations to the 
material...

The proposal of ethics as a nihalism is also a rejection of the 
neitschean-marxism that was a feature of 1970s radical thought in france...

regards

steve

Shawn P. Wilbur wrote:

>I can see how this sort of "ethics" might be at work in someone like
>Ferry, but there seems to be very little here that resembles Lyotard's
>thought - and nothing that has much in common with the approach to ethics
>of folks like Derrida. 
>
>-shawn
>
>Shawn P. Wilbur       
>www.wcnet.org/~swilbur  | lists.village.virginia.edu/~spoons
>www.wcnet.org/~paupers  | alwato.iuma.com         
>
>On Wed, 7 Nov 2001, Mary Murphy&Salstrand wrote:
>
>>This chapter begins with the statement that "ethics designates above
>>all, the incapacity, so typical of the contemporary world, to name and
>>strive for a Good...resignation in the face of necessity together with a
>>purely negative, if not destructive, will.  It is this combination that
>>should be designated as nihilism."
>>
>>What Badiou considers as the realm of necessity is one that is
>>synonymous with ethics as the figure of the logic of Capital.  The role
>>ethics plays is to organize subjectivity and public opinion to ratify
>>what seems necessary.  Since this economic realm is sacrosanct, the
>>roles of ethics becomes restricted to a secondary position.  
>>
>>The important issues are predetermined and remain unexamined by ethics.
>>All its judgements of value remain within the context of economics, the
>>necessary. What must be done is no longer a matter of principle, but
>>merely a matter of practicality - what is effective under the existing
>>circumstances.
>>
>>In this way, ethics acts as an implicit denial of truth.  For what is
>>characteristic of truth is that it bores a hole in established
>>knowledges.  Truth is the only thing for all and therefore stands
>>against dominant opinions which work only for the benefit of some,
>>namely those who benefit from this so-called necessity.
>>
>>The way this applies to 'concern for the other' is as follows.  The Law
>>in the form of human rights is always already there.  It has been
>>pre-established.  There is, however, no question of reconsidering this
>>Law and thereby going beyond it.  
>>
>>Like economics, the Law is governed ultimately by the conservative
>>identity that sustains it.  The Law is simply another word for
>>necessity.  As Badiou points out, from a psychological point of view, in
>>the end such an ethics is governed by a will to nothingness, a death
>>drive.
>>
>>This leads to the shiver that is felt when the Other comes too close,
>>when Evil knocks at one's own door.  For at its core, ethics remains
>>simply the power to decide who is to live and who is to die.  Ethics
>>regards with pity those victims who are being-for-death.  It condescends
>>to help, but only to the extent that these victims choose what is
>>necessary as opposed to what is true. Otherwise, ethics transforms these
>>victims into criminals who must then be destroyed. 
>>
>>Badiou next discusses euthanasia and bio-ethics. He remarks that ethics
>>"allows death to go about its busines, without opposing to it the
>>Immortality of resistance."
>>
>>He compares this to Nazism which had a very thoroughgoing ethics of
>>Life.  The distinction it made was to distinguish between a dignified
>>life and an undignified one - to uphold the one and to destroy the
>>other. 
>>
>>Badiou argues that similarly today, the conjunction of bio (genetic
>>engineering, euthanasia etc) with ethics in the hands of abstract
>>committees is threatening in similar ways.  "Every definition of Man
>>based on happiness is nihilist."  He says.
>>
>>In other words ethics is used to enforce our happiness by imposing
>>conditions of misery based upon necessity on those who potentially
>>threaten our superior condition - to improve the white man and destroy
>>the monster - without recognizing the extent to which the one depends
>>upon the other.
>>
>>Ethics is the interweaving of an unbridled and self-serving economy with
>>the discourse of law. It dooms 'what is' to the Western mastery of death
>>- conservative propaganda with an obscure desire for catastrophe.  (like
>>those American conservatives who aren't afraid of global warming because
>>Jesus is coming back anyway.)
>>
>>Only be affirming truths against this desire for nothingness can
>>nihilism be overcome - against the ethics of living-well whose real
>>content is the deciding of death, there stands an ethic of truth.
>>
>>eric
>>
>
>


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All

like the work of Negri and Hardt, Badiou's work is a return to a more Hegelian line of descent, rather than the Kantian turn favored by Lyotard. The inherent materialism and the rejection of any transcendent 'beyond' are both implicit and sometimes explicit in the text. Ignoring the new philosophers (which is a pleasure) - the concept of difference is in various forms is found throughout the work of Deleuze, Derrida, Foucault and Lyotard is arguably founded on distinguishing their thought from Hegelian conceptions of difference. I am thinking especially of Derrida and Deleuze here - (read through Gillian Rose ) - but it also works in relation to Lyotard for  the non-humanistic, initially anti-humanism  conception of difference avoids contradiction and suggests that contradiction is infinitely less important than 'difference'. But without contradiction how can the marxist critique of capital be derived? Badiou's relationship to 'difference' and the rejection of Kantian approaches,  perhaps even the refusal of the sublime begins from the materialist/marxist need for contradiction which is used in Hegal to 'resolve it, to interiorize it'... difference that is.

I touch on this (badly) to stress that Badiou's anti-humanism, has the same origins as the previous generation of radical French thinkers, but that the divergence between the positions is in the relations to the material...

The proposal of ethics as a nihalism is also a rejection of the neitschean-marxism that was a feature of 1970s radical thought in france...

regards

steve

Shawn P. Wilbur wrote:
I can see how this sort of "ethics" might be at work in someone like
Ferry, but there seems to be very little here that resembles Lyotard's
thought - and nothing that has much in common with the approach to ethics
of folks like Derrida.

-shawn

Shawn P. Wilbur
www.wcnet.org/~swilbur | lists.village.virginia.edu/~spoons
www.wcnet.org/~paupers | alwato.iuma.com

On Wed, 7 Nov 2001, Mary Murphy&Salstrand wrote:

This chapter begins with the statement that "ethics designates above
all, the incapacity, so typical of the contemporary world, to name and
strive for a Good...resignation in the face of necessity together with a
purely negative, if not destructive, will. It is this combination that
should be designated as nihilism."

What Badiou considers as the realm of necessity is one that is
synonymous with ethics as the figure of the logic of Capital. The role
ethics plays is to organize subjectivity and public opinion to ratify
what seems necessary. Since this economic realm is sacrosanct, the
roles of ethics becomes restricted to a secondary position.

The important issues are predetermined and remain unexamined by ethics.
All its judgements of value remain within the context of economics, the
necessary. What must be done is no longer a matter of principle, but
merely a matter of practicality - what is effective under the existing
circumstances.

In this way, ethics acts as an implicit denial of truth. For what is
characteristic of truth is that it bores a hole in established
knowledges. Truth is the only thing for all and therefore stands
against dominant opinions which work only for the benefit of some,
namely those who benefit from this so-called necessity.

The way this applies to 'concern for the other' is as follows. The Law
in the form of human rights is always already there. It has been
pre-established. There is, however, no question of reconsidering this
Law and thereby going beyond it.

Like economics, the Law is governed ultimately by the conservative
identity that sustains it. The Law is simply another word for
necessity. As Badiou points out, from a psychological point of view, in
the end such an ethics is governed by a will to nothingness, a death
drive.

This leads to the shiver that is felt when the Other comes too close,
when Evil knocks at one's own door. For at its core, ethics remains
simply the power to decide who is to live and who is to die. Ethics
regards with pity those victims who are being-for-death. It condescends
to help, but only to the extent that these victims choose what is
necessary as opposed to what is true. Otherwise, ethics transforms these
victims into criminals who must then be destroyed.

Badiou next discusses euthanasia and bio-ethics. He remarks that ethics
"allows death to go about its busines, without opposing to it the
Immortality of resistance."

He compares this to Nazism which had a very thoroughgoing ethics of
Life. The distinction it made was to distinguish between a dignified
life and an undignified one - to uphold the one and to destroy the
other.

Badiou argues that similarly today, the conjunction of bio (genetic
engineering, euthanasia etc) with ethics in the hands of abstract< br>committees is threatening in similar ways. "Every definition of Man
based on happiness is nihilist." He says.

In other words ethics is used to enforce our happiness by imposing
conditions of misery based upon necessity on those who potentially
threaten our superior condition - to improve the white man and destroy
the monster - without recognizing the extent to which the one depends
upon the other.

Ethics is the interweaving of an unbridled and self-serving economy with
the discourse of law. It dooms 'what is' to the Western mastery of death
- conservative propaganda with an obscure desire for catastrophe. (like
those American conservatives who aren't afraid of global warming because
Jesus is coming back anyway.)

Only be affirming truths against this desire for nothingness can
nihilism be overcome - against the ethics of living-well whose real
content is the deciding of death, there stands an ethic of truth.

er ic





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