Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 22:03:08 +1000
From: hbone <hbone-AT-optonline.net>
Subject: Re: cyborg


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Glen/All,

I don't think there are easy answers for what you write below, and philosophers in general if that's a meaningful phrase, don't always ask those questions, perhaps taking them for granted..

Approximate answers might come from an anthropological approach.  The bio-revolution
dating from modification of genes, cloning, stem cells etc., has opened possiblities that knowing about "knowing" and "truth" may come about thru molecular biology. 

These functions might turn out to be an extension of of nature's intelligence
that functions in constructing unborn humans and maintaining (without human consciousness) operation of heart and lungs and other organs for a life-time. 

regards,
Hugh

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  Glen wrote


  
  What I am trying to focus on is what makes something *feel* real, so that you *know* it is real, or rather when something is true you don't really feel anything, it is when you encounter something that is utterly not-true (some form of the other, I am not too sure, not thought about that for now) that there is a fissure, a tear in your simulacra (and here I am inverting 'true' to mean anything that conforms and confirms your personal simulacra, ie 'true' to you). Not what is true, or how it can be communicated in the form of some language, or how it can be proven to other people, but what makes us know true is true (and exist accordingly). That is pre-cultural (or pre-ego based thought), for every living thing has a version, the tree bends towards light, ants follow the line, birds migrate, etc. I doubt any of these things would be having metaphysical debates about the nature of the god 'Fireball', or the evils of chaos and not following the 'Line', etc. It would be so non-true to be non-sensical, nonsense...
  I don't mean pre-cultural in the sense of a pre-organised social state, but in a kind of phenomenological effect following the event within the everyday. Perhaps pre-cutural is a bad way to express what I mean, instead of a pre-cutural state, how about an 'affected state'?
  
  Glen.
  

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What I am trying to focus on is what makes something *feel* real, so that you *know* it is real, or rather when something is true you don't really feel anything, it is when you encounter something that is utterly not-true (some form of the other, I am not too sure, not thought about that for now) that there is a fissure, a tear in your simulacra (and here I am inverting 'true' to mean anything that conforms and confirms your personal simulacra, ie 'true' to you). Not what is true, or how it can be communicated in the form of some language, or how it can be proven to other people, but what makes us know true is true (and exist accordingly). That is pre-cultural (or pre-ego based thought), for every living thing has a version, the tree bends towards light, ants follow the line, birds migrate, etc. I doubt any of these things would be having metaphysical debates about the nature of the god 'Fireball', or the evils of chaos and not following the 'Line', etc. It would be so non-true to be non-sensical, nonsense...

I don't mean pre-cultural in the sense of a pre-organised social state, but in a kind of phenomenological effect following the event within the everyday. Perhaps pre-cutural is a bad way to express what I mean, instead of a pre-cutural state, how about an 'affected state'?

 

Glen.