File spoon-archives/lyotard.archive/lyotard_2001/lyotard.0112, message 19


Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2001 19:48:10 +0000
From: "steve.devos" <steve.devos-AT-krokodile.com>
Subject: Re: more on cyborgs and the inhuman




Hugh/All

Not at all, the suggestion that Lyotard makes is that in the post-modern 
people are but bit-part players... 'Humankind is taken for a complex 
material system' further Lyotard repeats '... the hero is not a subject. 
 The word energy says nothing, except that there is some force. What 
happens to energy, its formation into systems, their death or survival, 
the appearance of more differentiated systems, it knows nothing and does 
not want any ot it. It obeys blind, local laws and chance...'

An individual element as listed below could be said to be 'evil' except 
since the word has the ludicrous connotation of being associated with 
both hollywood, the vatican and so on.

regards
stev

hbone wrote:

>Eric/All
>
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>>Is speed, frenzy, stress, the 80 hour workweek, the dependence on fossil
>>fuels, the proliferation of intellectual property, the loss of privacy
>>through government and corporate invasiveness, the inequalities brought
>>about technological differentiation, the growing stockpile of weaponry,
>>gated communities - are these all merely deterministic functions of
>>development, technology and complexity, or are they the result of the
>>social/economic/politic matrix from which these technologies emerge.
>>
>
>IMHO these evils are consequences of the acts of living people whose
>religion is greed, and whose tools are institutions and technologies.  The
>EVIL ONES siphon wealth from worker/consumers in the form of Rent, Interest,
>Profits, Taxes, Insurance, Advertising.  That where our money goes.
>
>Development, technology and complexity are not actors in this drama.... only
>names of  concepts.
>best,
>Hugh
>
>
>
>
>
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HTML VERSION:

Hugh/All

Not at all, the suggestion that Lyotard makes is that in the post-modern people are but bit-part players... 'Humankind is taken for a complex material system' further Lyotard repeats '... the hero is not a subject.  The word energy says nothing, except that there is some force. What happens to energy, its formation into systems, their death or survival, the appearance of more differentiated systems, it knows nothing and does not want any ot it. It obeys blind, local laws and chance...'

An individual element as listed below could be said to be 'evil' except since the word has the ludicrous connotation of being associated with both hollywood, the vatican and so on.

regards
stev

hbone wrote:
Eric/All

:
Is speed, frenzy, stress, the 80 hour workweek, the dependence on fossil
fuels, the proliferation of intellectual property, the loss of privacy
through government and corporate invasiveness, the inequalities brought
about technological differentiation, the growing stockpile of weaponry,
gated communities - are these all merely deterministic functions of
development, technology and complexity, or are they the result of the
social/economic/politic matrix from which these technologies emerge.

IMHO these evils are consequences of the acts of living people whose
religion is greed, and whose tools are institutions and technologies. The
EVIL ONES siphon wealth from worker/consumers in the form of Rent, Interest,
Profits, Taxes, Insurance, Advertising. That where our money goes.

Development, technology and complexity are not actors in this drama.... only
names of concepts.
best,
Hugh










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