File spoon-archives/lyotard.archive/lyotard_2002/lyotard.0203, message 4


Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 04:43:06 +1000
From: hbone <hbone-AT-optonline.net>
Subject: Re: middle east


Steve/All:

Comments at **:

>
> The tragedy that is Israel - it is odd to remember the belief that
> Lyotard had of the suppressed importance of  Judiac tradition in western
> culture, as the Israeli state continues to behave as if they were
> descended from the guards rather than the inmates.** Yes, I've often
thought of that .

>But it is always well  to remember the reality of religious and racist
>states rather than the  ideals of our fellow intellectuals.  **Right!
Politics is always "What have you done for me lately?
>
> But still it is tragic to see the blood flow as the powerful murder the
> powerless, and the sickening 'spectacle'  of european right wing
> intellectuals supporting the right of the Israeli state to commit murder
> in the interests of democracy continues.

(One day democracy will be replaced by something slightly more humane
**Maybe in the U.K.  In the U.S its been replaced by plutocracy.  See
Webster.
> until then it will continue
> in its belief that it can murder and dominate the other with impunity).
> But this will not be possible until it is commonly accepted that
> democracies do not have the right to retaliate, to drive tanks over
> children and to experiment on their subjects....

**Its the cult of sacrificial death enjoyed and employed by the two great
monotheistic religions. Better they had stayed on the same track as the
polytheistic Romans.

When your religion is the ONE God, the ONE truth and the Muslims say the
same, it generates jealousy and friction.  Both are believers in "Thou shalt
not kill" except when the Lord speaks to them.  It's about the only time
"hearing voices" is not considered  insane..

Send your son into battle, he is killed, the family is in next day's TV news
show.  The President sympathizes - there are religious ceremonies, the
family gets a neatly folded flag.

Maybe the Commandment should be updated:  "Thou shalt not kill in Church ,
Temple or Mosque".  "Thou shalt kill only persons of other religions."
>
> Perhaps the desire that israel shows to dominate and murder derives from
> the return of  the repressed - as the desire of American and British
> politicians to continue to bomb people in Afghanistan derives from their
> obvious psychosis - presumbably those who support them suffer from this
> same appalling psychosis. (get thee to your neitzschean analyst). **Not
psychosis.  Simply God's will.  Religious enthusiasm...The triumph of Our
Good over Your Evil...
>
> When Bush and Blair are being tried in the court of human rights in the
> Hague we will know that things have improved... until then i watch with
> horror at the tragedy that is israel plays itself out as the spectacle it
is.  **They and the U.S. and the U.K. and a host other certified Christian
nations plus all those faceless intellectuals are only doing God's will per
His instructions, as they interpret His voice - telling them the holiness of
their beliefs in teaching the infidels a lesson.

regards,
Hugh

Hugh



   

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