Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 21:15:50 +0100
From: "steve.devos" <steve.devos-AT-krokodile.co.uk>
Subject: Re: question




Glen

Apologies - for the reply error - I had the reply-to set to an earlier 
generation of email address, which I had to migrate from due to the 
inefficientcies of postmodern capitalism (modernist institutions worked 
much better).

Thanks for the details - I'm trying to get some kind of feel for what 
was happening there. (I guess like most people I've heard some 
disturbing things about the treatment of refugees/migrants into 
Australia recently and wondered what was happening regarding the 
indirectly related issue of the Iraq adventure. ) Notwithstanding this 
however I'd presume that  Australia would be economically black-mailable 
to fall; into line with the 'coalition' - so it's nice to see some 
strategic liberal resistance developing.

best regards
s

steve.devos-AT-krokodile.co.uk

>>
>>
>>G'day Steve,
>>
>>I hope this works!! I tried emailing this little message earlier but I got
>>
>a
>
>>mail-error, but then I noticed you had emailed again to the lyotard list
>>
>so
>
>>I thought I would try again.
>>
>>Oh, and there have been recent arrests and protests at the Pine-Gap joint
>>US-Aus military facility in the Northern Territory, like two days ago.
>>
>There
>
>>still have not been any mass protests like the kind in Europe. The
>>
>Democrat
>
>>Party (the most left, besides the Greens of course) is running a candidate
>>in a by-election seat they know they can not win, but they said they are
>>running a candidate to open up a public debate on the issue of "Australia
>>going to war by default".
>>
>>Glen.
>>
>>>Sorry Steve for the delay of my reply, I have been off in self-imposed
>>>
>>exile
>>
>>>finishing off my dissertation...
>>>
>>>There has not been any mass deomnstrations of the magnitude as there has
>>>been in the UK and Europe. One very interesting development was a letter
>>>signed by 7 ex-prime ministers that basically said Australia should not
>>>support any US led initiative against Iraq without a direct resolution
>>>
>by
>
>>>the UN.
>>>
>>>The current prime minister, John Howard, would take very little notice
>>>
>of
>
>>>this (his actions over the last term and a half show this), but for the
>>>leader of the left-leaning Labour opposition party, Simon Crean, this
>>>
>has
>
>>>been considerately problematic as his political 'mentor' the ex-PM, Bob
>>>Hawke (who, after the Aussies won the Americas cup in the late 80s,
>>>(in)famously said, "Everyone should have the day off tomorrow, you would
>>>
>>be
>>
>>> a bum to expect your workers to turn up."!!), is a signatory. There are
>>>
>>some
>>
>>>hard line left-wingers in the Labour party (including Carmen Lawrence
>>>
>who
>
>>>has a PhD in Philosophy), and with this letter Crean has almost been
>>>
>>forced
>>
>>>to follow the letters wait-for-the-UN initiative.
>>>
>>>Cheers,
>>>Glen.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "steve.devos" <steve.devos-AT-krokodile.com>
>>>To: <glenfuller-AT-iinet.net.au>
>>>Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 3:15 AM
>>>Subject: question
>>>
>>>
>>>>Glen
>>>>
>>>>have their been any stop-the-war or anti-war demonstrations,
>>>>activitieuis in ASustralia?
>>>>
>>>>reagdrs
>>>>
>>>>steve
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>

HTML VERSION:

G'day Steve,

I hope this works!! I tried emailing this little message earlier but I got

a

mail-error, but then I noticed you had emailed again to the lyotard list

so

I thought I would try again.

Oh, and there have been recent arrests and protests at the Pine-Gap joint
US-Aus military facility in the Northern Territory, like two days ago.

There

still have not been any mass protests like the kind in Europe. The

Democrat

Party (the most left, besides the Greens of course) is running a candidate
in a by-election seat they know they can not win, but they said they are
running a candidate to open up a public debate on the issue of "Australia
going to war by default".

Glen.

Sorry Steve for the delay of my reply, I have been off in self-imposed

exile

finishing off my dissertation...

There has not been any mass deomnstrations of the magnitude as there has
been in the UK and Europe. One very interesting development was a letter
signed by 7 ex-prime ministers that basically said Australia should not
support any US led initiative against Iraq without a direct resolution

by

the UN.

The current prime minister, John Howard, would take very little notice

of

this (his actions over the last term and a half show this), but for the
leader of the left-leaning Labour opposition party, Simon Crean, this

has

been considerately problematic as his political 'mentor' the ex-PM, Bob
Hawke (who, after the Aussies won the Americas cup in the late 80s,
(in)famously said, "Everyone should have the day off tomorrow, you would

be

 a bum to expect your workers to turn up."!!), is a signatory. There are

some

hard line left-wingers in the Labour party (including Carmen Lawrence

who

has a PhD in Philosophy), and with this letter Crean has almost been

forced

to follow the letters wait-for-the-UN initiative.

Cheers,
Glen.




----- Original Message -----
From: "steve.devos" <steve.devos-AT-krokodile.com>
To: <glenfuller-AT-iinet.net.au>
Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 3:15 AM
Subject: question

Glen

have their been any stop-the-war or anti-war demonstrations,
activitieuis in ASustralia?

reagdrs

steve