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Date: Sat, 04 Jan 2003 23:22:57 +0000
From: "steve.devos" <steve.devos-AT-krokodile.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Postmodern Religion




Shawn

tomorrow... it's late personal relationships call

steve

shawn wilbur wrote:

>Steve,
>
>Could you point to some examples of this "defense of the authentic"? There
>is more here that needs addressing, but it would be useful at the outset to
>see
>what aiming at with this distinction.
>
>-shawn
>
>"steve.devos" wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Eric
>>a brief reply...Of course - the 'difference' between us is and I think
>>the reason why we 'communicate' and 'miscommunicate'  both internally to
>>the Lyotard list but also externally is precisely this difference...
>>
>>"Even those who acknowledge this direct lineage from chritianity to
>>marxism, however usually fetishize the early authentic followers of
>>christ against the church's institutionalization epitimised by the name
>>of st paul: yes to christs 'original authentic message' no to its
>>transformation into the body of teaching that legitimises the church as
>>a social institution. What these followers of the maxim ... do is
>>strictly parallel to the stance of those humanist marxists from the mid
>>20th c (Lyotard included prior to his conversion) whose  maxim was 'yes
>>to the early authentic marxx, no to his lentist ossification. And in
>>both cases, one should insist that such a 'defence of the authentic' is
>>most perfidious mode of its betrayal: there is no christ outside st
>>paul; in exactly the same wau; there is no suthentic marx that can be
>>approached directly, bypassing Lenin..."  (Zizek The fragile absolute.)
>>    
>>
>
>  
>


HTML VERSION:

Shawn

tomorrow... it's late personal relationships call

steve

shawn wilbur wrote:
Steve,

Could you point to some examples of this "defense of the authentic"? There
is more here that needs addressing, but it would be useful at the outset to
see
what aiming at with this distinction.

-shawn

"steve.devos" wrote:

  
Eric
a brief reply...Of course - the 'difference' between us is and I think
the reason why we 'communicate' and 'miscommunicate'  both internally to
the Lyotard list but also externally is precisely this difference...

"Even those who acknowledge this direct lineage from chritianity to
marxism, however usually fetishize the early authentic followers of
christ against the church's institutionalization epitimised by the name
of st paul: yes to christs 'original authentic message' no to its
transformation into the body of teaching that legitimises the church as
a social institution. What these followers of the maxim ... do is
strictly parallel to the stance of those humanist marxists from the mid
20th c (Lyotard included prior to his conversion) whose  maxim was 'yes
to the early authentic marxx, no to his lentist ossification. And in
both cases, one should insist that such a 'defence of the authentic' is
most perfidious mode of its betrayal: there is no christ outside st
paul; in exactly the same wau; there is no suthentic marx that can be
approached directly, bypassing Lenin..."  (Zizek The fragile absolute.)
    

  


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