From: "Eric" <ericandmary-AT-earthlink.net> Subject: RE: Postmodern Religion Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 20:23:17 -0600 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. Steve, I know we have our differences over these issues and I certainly see your point about Tony Blair. In affairs of state, as a rule, power politics trumps ethical goodness almost every time. The question remains, however, whether there is still a space for ethics in this fragile, broken world. When T.S. Eliot received the drafts of Ezra Pound's so-called 'Inferno' Cantos his chief criticism was that Pound had merely created a hell for others. My guess would be, if you examined your own life, there has been a space at times where you have considered questions of goodness and happiness. Like Pound, it is easy to castigate the lack of ethics in others, but the point remains that each one of us must live out our lives in between the waiting for the glorious revolution, and therefore something like ethics persists as a condition of our lives. I believe that if each one of us examined his or her own life we will find a call of duty that isn't merely a reflection of either God or society, but a quiet voice that tells us what we must do to persist in becoming human. (I must go on. I can't go on. I will go on.) You mentioned a recent posting, but for me, this thread goes all the way back to the time when we first discussed Badiou's "Ethics". You certainly had the jump on me then; and as I recall you strongly championed Badiou. In hindsight, however, your admiration of the book seems to have been merely partial. Although you endorsed Badiou's critiques of multiculturalism, postmodernism, and Levinas, I recognize now that you were always silent about Badiou's positive arguments for an ethics of truth. In my recent postings, I acknowledge that I have been attempting to develop the concept of ethics as it has been argued for by Badiou, extended by Zizek, and supplemented by Lyotard's considerations of the intractable and the 'enfans'. Despite their obvious difference, the link I see between Badiou and Lyotard is that both their philosophies are responses to the singularity of the Event and the need to bear witness to this. My sense is that not only do you disagree with my approach, but you also find Badiou's own theory of ethics problematic as well. I agree with you that Zizek is a special case and the interpretation of what we read is always difficult, but my questions for you are these. Do you think Badiou is wrong, not merely in this or that detail, but in principle, in the presentation of his ethics of truth? Are you maintaining the stance that no ethics is valid - we only precariously lead out our lives, as best we can, beyond good and evil, in the face of power politics? My own answers to these questions would be that Badiou has something to say, not only about postmodernism, but about ethics as well; and that ethics remain necessary, not as a substitute for, but as a supplement to, politics. I sense this may be the real difference between us. eric
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Steve,
I know we have our differences
over these issues and I certainly see your point about Tony Blair. In affairs
of state, as a rule, power politics trumps ethical goodness almost every
time. The question remains, however,
whether there is still a space for ethics in this fragile, broken world.
When T.S. Eliot received the
drafts of Ezra Pound’s so-called ‘Inferno’ Cantos his chief
criticism was that Pound had merely created a hell for others.
My guess would be, if you
examined your own life, there has been a space at times where you have
considered questions of goodness and happiness. Like Pound, it is easy to castigate the
lack of ethics in others, but the point remains that each one of us must live
out our lives in between the waiting for the glorious revolution, and therefore
something like ethics persists as a condition of our lives. I believe that if
each one of us examined his or her own life we will find a call of duty that
isn’t merely a reflection of either God or society, but a quiet voice that
tells us what we must do to persist in becoming human.
(I must go on. I can’t go
on. I will go on.)
You mentioned a recent posting,
but for me, this thread goes all the way back to the time when we first
discussed Badiou’s “Ethics”. You certainly had the jump on me
then; and as I recall you strongly championed Badiou.
In hindsight, however, your
admiration of the book seems to have been merely partial. Although you endorsed Badiou’s
critiques of multiculturalism, postmodernism, and Levinas, I recognize now that
you were always silent about Badiou’s positive arguments for an ethics of
truth.
In my recent postings, I
acknowledge that I have been attempting to develop the concept of ethics as it
has been argued for by Badiou, extended by Zizek, and supplemented by
Lyotard’s considerations of the intractable and the ‘enfans’.
Despite their obvious difference, the link I see between Badiou and Lyotard is
that both their philosophies are responses to the singularity of the Event and
the need to bear witness to this.
My sense is that not only do
you disagree with my approach, but you also find Badiou’s own theory of
ethics problematic as well.
I agree with you that Zizek is
a special case and the interpretation of what we read is always difficult, but
my questions for you are these.
Do you think Badiou is wrong,
not merely in this or that detail, but in principle, in the presentation of his
ethics of truth? Are you
maintaining the stance that no ethics is valid - we only precariously lead out
our lives, as best we can, beyond good and evil, in the face of power
politics?
My own answers to these
questions would be that Badiou has something to say, not only about
postmodernism, but about ethics as well; and that ethics remain necessary, not
as a substitute for, but as a supplement to, politics. I sense this may be the
real difference between us.
eric