Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 21:13:45 +0000 From: "steve.devos" <steve.devos-AT-krokodile.co.uk> Subject: Fear and trembling Don/all I think that your reference to 'fear' may be to phenomenological for me to address easily - at a personal and philosophical level, beyond anything else it's close to having to respond to the horror of 'fear and trembling' - given the availability of more intelligent and rational responses it has not seemed necessary to use such a philosophical approach to rationalise the horrors of the world, the solution offered 'faith' is after all worse than fear or anxiety itself. Beyond the phenomenological work on 'fear' the best work I can think of is related to the 'terror' that is documented as part of the, how to put it, biographical background and tradition of fascism. It's not clear however that 'fear' and 'terror' are a necessary sub-component of male dominated societies as some feminists argued in the past - it seems impossible to argue that terror, fear as you describe it is simply the norm of existing under capitalist-patriarchal conditions. Probably better to argue that fear and terror are part of the causal factors in the construction of capitalist terror (as opposed obviously to the very different desptotic terror) which we all suffer from. Instead I'd suggest that 'fear' as such derives from our personal and social construction as human subjects - this is not the moment to discuss Melanie Klein in any detail but I was struck by the possibility of thinking of fear as related to the death drive, initially described as a sadistic desire, as a form of envy. The death drive for Klein is a condensation of hatred and love, often referred to as (paroxysmal) desire. Eros (life) is hardly extinct in this capturing of the object, desire transformed into anxiety (fear), Eros has a "fear of life" and we are unable to encourage its reaapearance as a primary form of pleasure. The anxiety and fear that is interpreted through analysis is able to confront splitting and repression and by reworking repression is transformed into a different symbolisation, for Klein an unihibited libido is a libido that THINKS and a desire divorced from fear and anxiety is a capacity for symbolisation. Most of the great filmmakers have always known to include the facilitation of fear in cinematic seduction, in explicit themes as well as the rythm of images....The banal moments in the current rage of propoganda cannot produce genuine 'fear and anxiety', surely less so anyway than Hitchcock's Psycho... rough notes for a tuesday) regards steve Don Socha wrote: >Eric writes: > > > >>Don, >> >>[snip] Perhaps this is the first step - to recognize that >> >> >fear is > > >>used as a weapon and to resist it as such. >> >> > >I want to think the problem is closer to the bone. I mean, >more than a weapon, fear goes a long way toward how I am >fundamentally, and I feel it is my responsibility to work to >do something about that. But what? I think I have to train >my mind somehow, get it into a new habit... created >somehow... by some kind of practice through which I am not >afraid. > >Fundamentally, though, I need to understand what fear is. >Having lived through trauma creates fear, and trauma seems to >be something that few human beings have not experienced on >some level. > >I want to understand how it affects me in different >localities. I get the hebeegeebees at stripmalls, for >example, or when I'm feeling impatient. It manifests itself >as a kind of impatience verging on panic. And certain >people, like Dick Cheney can trigger it in me, or car >salesmen, or apathetic, self-destructive post adolescents >breaking the speed limit.... > >Anyway, fear affects the way I am. And to recognize that, I >think is my first step, not toward realizing that "another >world is possible," but something more immediate? > >Don > > > >>I admit I have been surprised to discover how many others >> >> >here in > > >>America share political views similar to mine about the war >> >> >and the > > >>economy. There is also a linkage here with others around >> >> >the world. > > >>While I don't want to minimize the dangers, I also want to >> >> >point out > > >>that this is not the time for us to despair. >> >>Once Margaret Thatcher said: "There is no alternative." >> >>More recently, it has been said by the Zapatistas: "Another >> >> >world is > > >>possible." >> >>Now we must decide what choice we will make. What world will >> >> >you choose? > > >>eric >> >> >> >> >> > > >
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Eric writes:Don, [snip] Perhaps this is the first step - to recognize thatfear isused as a weapon and to resist it as such.I want to think the problem is closer to the bone. I mean, more than a weapon, fear goes a long way toward how I am fundamentally, and I feel it is my responsibility to work to do something about that. But what? I think I have to train my mind somehow, get it into a new habit... created somehow... by some kind of practice through which I am not afraid. Fundamentally, though, I need to understand what fear is. Having lived through trauma creates fear, and trauma seems to be something that few human beings have not experienced on some level. I want to understand how it affects me in different localities. I get the hebeegeebees at stripmalls, for example, or when I'm feeling impatient. It manifests itself as a kind of impatience verging on panic. And certain people, like Dick Cheney can trigger it in me, or car salesmen, or apathetic, self-destructive post adolescents breaking the speed limit.... Anyway, fear affects the way I am. And to recognize that, I think is my first step, not toward realizing that "another world is possible," but something more immediate? DonI admit I have been surprised to discover how many othershere inAmerica share political views similar to mine about the warand theeconomy. There is also a linkage here with others aroundthe world.While I don't want to minimize the dangers, I also want topoint outthat this is not the time for us to despair. Once Margaret Thatcher said: "There is no alternative." More recently, it has been said by the Zapatistas: "Anotherworld ispossible." Now we must decide what choice we will make. What world willyou choose?eric