File spoon-archives/lyotard.archive/lyotard_2003/lyotard.0302, message 72


Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 16:58:19 +0000
Subject: Re: GLOBAL PEACE DEMONSTRATIONS




Hugh/All

The actual context of Blair's statement is that he is now being 
progressively isolated within his own government, let alone party or 
country.  The 2M people on the streets of London were predominantly from 
what should be his natural supporters. It was bad enough for Blair when 
it became impossible for the US/UK states to force the necessary issue 
throgugh the UN allowing them to legitimate their desire for war, but 
with the majority of the country, and to not forget the european 
relationships, against the act of war. Then it's not hard to understand 
that Blair is on the verge of  self-destruction... That is the meaning 
of his speech... There is no larger context than that.

He simply got  the political drift wrong. I'd estimate summer or autumn 
at the latest- at which point Blair will be political history, earning 
money on the US post-political lecture circuit... No doubt claiming that 
the people that Hussain is murdering in Iraq are the fault of the peace 
movement  (I look forward to it).

I am at a loss to understand statements like '...U.S. has a great 
opportunity....'  impossible to believe that this is said seriously, 
(sorry Hugh but really!!!) perhaps after the US stops endlessly 
supporting Israel - (resolution 242)...it may be possible to imagine 
that its neo-colonial activity may come to an end...

regards
steve

hbone wrote:

>Judy/All,
>
>The Blair statement, as Lois expressed it below, was not limited to "his own
>people"..
>
>It seems to me that the larger context of the Blair statement is:   "For
>which deaths is the leader of a nation-state responsible"?.  I've looked up
>statistics on the U.S. Civil War, and found there were more than 600,000
>deaths, many not directly related to battles.
>
>In the 1970's, some accused LBJ of responsibility for the deaths of American
>soldiers - who were of course "his own people".
>
>I would imagine the same was true of Lincoln in the early years before he
>found competent generals.  And the "enemy" were also "his own people".
>Without wars, all nations of the globe could be "our" people..
>
>I think the U.S. has a great opportunity to re-invigorate the United Nations
>and conduct a world-wide Peace Offensive.  We are budgeting a $billion a day
>for
>war. If GWB sent a million dollars a day to 365,000 friends as tax refunds
>he
>could guarantee his election in 2004 without help from Florida or the
>Supremes.
>
>But it would be better to spend it in make the United Nations a global
>keeper of
>Peace.
>
>The fact that Spaniards and Italians and people of the U.K. support Peace,
>not War in spite of their governments' official position, is good news for
>global
>peace..
>
>Spain is a beautiful country I've visited several times.  The people endured
>Franco for decades, and Barcelona ran out of champagne the night Franco
>died.
>
>  
>
>> "Anti-war demonstrators should remember the hundreds of
>> thousands of people whose deaths the Iraqi leader was
>> responsible for, Mr Blair said. "
>>    
>>
>
>regards,
>Hugh
>
>
>  
>


HTML VERSION:

Hugh/All

The actual context of Blair's statement is that he is now being progressively isolated within his own government, let alone party or country.  The 2M people on the streets of London were predominantly from what should be his natural supporters. It was bad enough for Blair when it became impossible for the US/UK states to force the necessary issue throgugh the UN allowing them to legitimate their desire for war, but with the majority of the country, and to not forget the european relationships, against the act of war. Then it's not hard to understand that Blair is on the verge of  self-destruction... That is the meaning of his speech... There is no larger context than that.

He simply got  the political drift wrong. I'd estimate summer or autumn at the latest- at which point Blair will be political history, earning money on the US post-political lecture circuit... No doubt claiming that the people that Hussain is murdering in Iraq are the fault of the peace movement  (I look forward to it).

I am at a loss to understand statements like '...U.S. has a great opportunity....'  impossible to believe that this is said seriously, (sorry Hugh but really!!!) perhaps after the US stops endlessly supporting Israel - (resolution 242)...it may be possible to imagine that its neo-colonial activity may come to an end...

regards
steve

hbone wrote:
Judy/All,

The Blair statement, as Lois expressed it below, was not limited to "his own
people"..

It seems to me that the larger context of the Blair statement is:   "For
which deaths is the leader of a nation-state responsible"?.  I've looked up
statistics on the U.S. Civil War, and found there were more than 600,000
deaths, many not directly related to battles.

In the 1970's, some accused LBJ of responsibility for the deaths of American
soldiers - who were of course "his own people".

I would imagine the same was true of Lincoln in the early years before he
found competent generals.  And the "enemy" were also "his own people".
Without wars, all nations of the globe could be "our" people..

I think the U.S. has a great opportunity to re-invigorate the United Nations
and conduct a world-wide Peace Offensive.  We are budgeting a $billion a day
for
war. If GWB sent a million dollars a day to 365,000 friends as tax refunds
he
could guarantee his election in 2004 without help from Florida or the
Supremes.

But it would be better to spend it in make the United Nations a global
keeper of
Peace.

The fact that Spaniards and Italians and people of the U.K. support Peace,
not War in spite of their governments' official position, is good news for
global
peace..

Spain is a beautiful country I've visited several times.  The people endured
Franco for decades, and Barcelona ran out of champagne the night Franco
died.

  
 "Anti-war demonstrators should remember the hundreds of
 thousands of people whose deaths the Iraqi leader was
 responsible for, Mr Blair said. "
    

regards,
Hugh


  


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