File spoon-archives/lyotard.archive/lyotard_2003/lyotard.0303, message 22


Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2003 21:14:49 +0000
From: "steve.devos" <steve.devos-AT-krokodile.co.uk>
Subject: Re: the healer...




Hugh/all

Only the resistence of  multitude, the masses in the local geographic 
areas can possibly stop the ongoing war against Iraq turning into the 
slaughter that is planned. Only the realisation that Blair will be over 
as a political force in the UK and perhaps the world has prevented the 
USA from ignoring the UN and embarking on the developing suicide that 
appears to be Bush's new American dream... Perhaps Bush and Blair are 
confronting the possibility of existing in a world where he has lost his 
personal myth of transcendence - hence the need for slaughter and others 
to sacrificed for the strip malls that he worships... ( I feel like 
Baudrillard as I sit in a cyber-cafe in Washington DC - catching the 
late plane home...)

regards
steve



hbone wrote:

> Steve/All,
>  
> The link you reference is the best article on the subject.
>  
> On this symmetrical date, 03/03/03 there is a search for healers.
>  
> In  a 100 years, 36,500 days the World reaches 04/04/04. (adjust for 
> leap-years)
>  
> One in 36,500 is the approximate chance for avoiding the conquest and 
> occupation of Iraq. 
>  
> Could the odds be changed by decision of Bush-Blair and two 
> dozen their top people?  Yes.
>  
> What vision of peace could put the fear of God into those bodies, 
> traumatize their psyches, transmute war psychology into prayers and 
> action for peace?
>  
> The future of all nations is in the balance.  The doctrine of 
> pre-emption will prevail over the doctrine of response-when-attacked.  
> Conquest and occupation will supersede diplomacy and treaties. 
>  
> This morning's news tells us the usual reasons for earliest possible 
> attack are being augmented by an increasing wave of  dissidents within 
> the U.S.
>  
> regards,
> Hugh
>  
> ^~*^~*^~*~^*~^*~*~*^~*^~*~^^~*^~*~^~^~*~*~^*~*~
>  
>  
>  
>  
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <steve.devos-AT-krokodile.co.uk <mailto:steve.devos-AT-krokodile.co.uk>>
> To: <lyotard-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu 
> <mailto:lyotard-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu>>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 2:04 AM
> Subject: the healer...
>
> > http://www.guardian.co.uk/g2/story/0,3604,906196,00.html
> >
> > Robert Kagan is the American thinker who first identified the growing
> > transatlantic rift and coined the phrase "Americans are from Mars and
> > Europeans are from Venus". Here he argues that Tony Blair is the 
> only leader
> > who can bring the two back together....
> >
> > The above is an interesting American perspecitve on the differences 
> between
> > mainstream USA and mainstream European positions.
> >
> > My favorite quote is the "kantian" reference...
> >
> > regards
> > steve
> >
> >
> > > Yeah, I read that today as well.
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: <steve.devos-AT-krokodile.co.uk 
> <mailto:steve.devos-AT-krokodile.co.uk>>
> > > To: <lyotard-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu 
> <mailto:lyotard-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu>>
> > > Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 7:21 AM
> > > Subject: Re: America the arm-twister
> > >
> > >
> > >> David
> > >>
> > >> An interesting text. The particularly sick aspect of the Bush-Blair
> > > postion
> > >> is the use of the late 1930's 'appeasement' policy to justify 
> invading
> > > Iraq.
> > >> Not to bizarrely it is probably more appropriate to think of the USA
> > >> and
> > > UK
> > >> as the   colonial power invading Vienna... [I look forward to the 
> Iraq
> > >> version of the sound of music....]
> > >>
> > >> This morning (Monday) there was an interview with military advisers
> > >> who
> > > were
> > >> discussing the 'prepare for war' policies being carried out in 
> Iraq at
> > >> present. They agreed that the change in strategies being carried out
> > >> at present means in effect that 'The war has already started...' As
> > >> they are now 'softening up'  the Iraq ground forces.
> > >>
> > >> regards
> > >> steve
> >
> >
> > 



HTML VERSION:

Hugh/all

Only the resistence of  multitude, the masses in the local geographic areas can possibly stop the ongoing war against Iraq turning into the slaughter that is planned. Only the realisation that Blair will be over as a political force in the UK and perhaps the world has prevented the USA from ignoring the UN and embarking on the developing suicide that appears to be Bush's new American dream... Perhaps Bush and Blair are confronting the possibility of existing in a world where he has lost his personal myth of transcendence - hence the need for slaughter and others to sacrificed for the strip malls that he worships... ( I feel like Baudrillard as I sit in a cyber-cafe in Washington DC - catching the late plane home...)

regards
steve



hbone wrote:
Steve/All,
 
The link you reference is the best article on the subject.
 
On this symmetrical date, 03/03/03 there is a search for healers.
 
In  a 100 years, 36,500 days the World reaches 04/04/04. (adjust for leap-years)
 
One in 36,500 is the approximate chance for avoiding the conquest and occupation of Iraq. 
 
Could the odds be changed by decision of Bush-Blair and two dozen their top people?  Yes.
 
What vision of peace could put the fear of God into those bodies, traumatize their psyches, transmute war psychology into prayers and action for peace?
 
The future of all nations is in the balance.  The doctrine of pre-emption will prevail over the doctrine of response-when-attacked.  Conquest and occupation will supersede diplomacy and treaties. 
 
This morning's news tells us the usual reasons for earliest possible attack are being augmented by an increasing wave of  dissidents within the U.S.
 
regards,
Hugh
 
^~*^~*^~*~^*~^*~*~*^~*^~*~^^~*^~*~^~^~*~*~^*~*~
 
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: <steve.devos-AT-krokodile.co.uk>
To: <lyotard-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu>
Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 2:04 AM
Subject: the healer...

> http://www.guardian.co.uk/g2/story/0,3604,906196,00.html
>
> Robert Kagan is the American thinker who first identified the growing
> transatlantic rift and coined the phrase "Americans are from Mars and
> Europeans are from Venus". Here he argues that Tony Blair is the only leader
> who can bring the two back together....
>
> The above is an interesting American perspecitve on the differences between
> mainstream USA and mainstream European positions.
>
> My favorite quote is the "kantian" reference...
>
> regards
> steve
>
>
> > Yeah, I read that today as well.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <
steve.devos-AT-krokodile.co.uk>
> > To: <
lyotard-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu>
> > Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 7:21 AM
> > Subject: Re: America the arm-twister
> >
> >
> >> David
> >>
> >> An interesting text. The particularly sick aspect of the Bush-Blair
> > postion
> >> is the use of the late 1930's 'appeasement' policy to justify invading
> > Iraq.
> >> Not to bizarrely it is probably more appropriate to think of the USA
> >> and
> > UK
> >> as the   colonial power invading Vienna... [I look forward to the Iraq
> >> version of the sound of music....]
> >>
> >> This morning (Monday) there was an interview with military advisers
> >> who
> > were
> >> discussing the 'prepare for war' policies being carried out in Iraq at
> >> present. They agreed that the change in strategies being carried out
> >> at present means in effect that 'The war has already started...' As
> >> they are now 'softening up'  the Iraq ground forces.
> >>
> >> regards
> >> steve
>
>
>


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